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So, is wiki.c2.com something that people keep writing on or is it really readonly nowadays? Is there a way to become a member? I just mistakenly signed up to hy

by jolmg 8y ago

So, is wiki.c2.com something that people keep writing on or is it really readonly nowadays? Is there a way to become a member? I just mistakenly signed up to hypothes.is from the right side-bar thinking it was c2.com.

becca_smth81 8y ago
Seems like it hasn't been updated in a while. Each page has an "last updated" timestamp. The homepage says: "Last edit December 19, 2014". There's also a Github project but hasn't been updated in 2 years: https://github.com/WardCunningham/remodeling https://github.com/WardCunningham/remodeling
- fao_ 8y ago
  Hi, for some reason you're shadowbanned? As a new account I find this really unusual. It's likely you might need to verify your email or something. I've vouched for this comment, which is why it appears. On Topic: there was a discussion a year ago about what the progress block is: https://github.com/WardCunningham/remodeling/issues/24 https://github.com/WardCunningham/remodeling/issues/24 It seems that he's stuck with some files that are mixed-encoding and can't repair them, it's likely the wiki will be read-only until that problem is solved, unfortunately.
  - becca_smth81 8y ago
    Thank you very much. This is a new account, but I don't know why I'd be banned :/ And why would you be able to see it and not me? :( On Topic again: c2.com is great, I'd love if someone would take ownership and keep maintaining it.
    - hobs 8y ago
      If you are a registered user, in the FAQ >In my profile, what does showdead do? >If you turn it on, you'll see all the stories and comments that have been killed by software, moderators, or user flags. This is what people refer to when they say shadow/hellbanned.
    - mkl 8y ago
      It's probably because your first comment contains a link, and automated account creation for spamming purposes is unfortunately a thing. The site relies on users with high enough karma clicking a button to vouch for legitimate users to unban accounts (or draw the mods' attention), like what happened to you here. Hacker News uses shadow-banning, so the person banned for problematic behaviour can't tell and doesn't just switch to a new account.
tabtab 8y ago
Ward Cunningham decided to close c2 to new material in part because he got tired of battling a determined vandal who was all bent out of shape over grammer and spailing, and second to try out his new "Federated Wiki" concept. So far, Federated Wiki is a flop in my opinion. C2 was interesting in that software developers and IT professionals tried to categorize debates and disagreements over software engineering issues. Almost nothing was ever settled, but you got different perspectives. For example, is the "best" software about maximizing economics & psychology (human grokking), or symbolic parsimony? Is it better to hire 5 geniuses or 10 ordinary engineers?
- amyjess 8y ago
  > Ward Cunningham decided to close c2 to new material in part because he got tired of battling a determined vandal who was all bent out of shape over grammer and spailing It's honestly pretty upsetting that one vandal is enough to ruin one of the oldest and most significant institutions on the web for everybody.
  - tabtab 8y ago
    Anyone is welcome to restart it. I'm sure he'd give you the raw data files & source code if you asked. (There might already be a copy on github.)
  - lozenge 8y ago
    I think it has value as a snapshot archive as well. The article on extreme programming would look quite different today.
    - tabtab 8y ago
      The reworked version doesn't show the original indentation of discussion trees, making it harder to read. All bullet points have been flattened to one level, compared to the the original, which showed many levels.

by jolmg 8y ago

becca_smth81 8y ago

Seems like it hasn't been updated in a while. Each page has an "last updated" timestamp. The homepage says: "Last edit December 19, 2014". There's also a Github project but hasn't been updated in 2 years: https://github.com/WardCunningham/remodeling https://github.com/WardCunningham/remodeling

fao_ 8y ago
Hi, for some reason you're shadowbanned? As a new account I find this really unusual. It's likely you might need to verify your email or something. I've vouched for this comment, which is why it appears. On Topic: there was a discussion a year ago about what the progress block is: https://github.com/WardCunningham/remodeling/issues/24 https://github.com/WardCunningham/remodeling/issues/24 It seems that he's stuck with some files that are mixed-encoding and can't repair them, it's likely the wiki will be read-only until that problem is solved, unfortunately.
- becca_smth81 8y ago
  Thank you very much. This is a new account, but I don't know why I'd be banned :/ And why would you be able to see it and not me? :( On Topic again: c2.com is great, I'd love if someone would take ownership and keep maintaining it.
  - hobs 8y ago
    If you are a registered user, in the FAQ >In my profile, what does showdead do? >If you turn it on, you'll see all the stories and comments that have been killed by software, moderators, or user flags. This is what people refer to when they say shadow/hellbanned.
  - mkl 8y ago
    It's probably because your first comment contains a link, and automated account creation for spamming purposes is unfortunately a thing. The site relies on users with high enough karma clicking a button to vouch for legitimate users to unban accounts (or draw the mods' attention), like what happened to you here. Hacker News uses shadow-banning, so the person banned for problematic behaviour can't tell and doesn't just switch to a new account.

tabtab 8y ago

Ward Cunningham decided to close c2 to new material in part because he got tired of battling a determined vandal who was all bent out of shape over grammer and spailing, and second to try out his new "Federated Wiki" concept. So far, Federated Wiki is a flop in my opinion. C2 was interesting in that software developers and IT professionals tried to categorize debates and disagreements over software engineering issues. Almost nothing was ever settled, but you got different perspectives. For example, is the "best" software about maximizing economics & psychology (human grokking), or symbolic parsimony? Is it better to hire 5 geniuses or 10 ordinary engineers?

amyjess 8y ago
> Ward Cunningham decided to close c2 to new material in part because he got tired of battling a determined vandal who was all bent out of shape over grammer and spailing It's honestly pretty upsetting that one vandal is enough to ruin one of the oldest and most significant institutions on the web for everybody.
- tabtab 8y ago
  Anyone is welcome to restart it. I'm sure he'd give you the raw data files & source code if you asked. (There might already be a copy on github.)
- lozenge 8y ago
  I think it has value as a snapshot archive as well. The article on extreme programming would look quite different today.
  - tabtab 8y ago
    The reworked version doesn't show the original indentation of discussion trees, making it harder to read. All bullet points have been flattened to one level, compared to the the original, which showed many levels.