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> Android is creeping higher and higher in the ecosystem It crept there about 7 years ago and is about 90% of the market now, why present tense? And it was goo

> Android is creeping higher and higher in the ecosystem It crept there about 7 years ago and is about 90% of the market now, why present tense? And it was good enough from like day 1, although the hardware was behind sometimes. https://www.statista.com/statistics/266136/global-market-share-held-by-smartphone-operating-systems/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/266136/global-market-sha...

te_chris 8y ago
Global market share. In most western countries it's around 50/50 or 60/40 one way or the other. End of the day, that's still where most of the purchasing power is.
- danieldk 8y ago
  Indeed, and Apple's services revenue is also growing quite a bit. So, they'll want chunks of the market where it is also likely that people will be purchasing paid apps, iCloud storage, Apple Music, movies, etc.
- tpush 8y ago
  > In most western countries it's around 50/50 or 60/40 one way or the other. Not really, it's 70/30 Android/iOS for the whole of Europe on average.
  - te_chris 8y ago
    Yeah, but in the wealthier countries, apart from Germany and France, it seems iOS is either almost tied or in the majority (I just looked at US, UK, Canada, Netherlands, Sweden)
MarkMc 8y ago
Here are the Android Q2 figures from that link: 2018: 88% 2017: 87.8% 2016: 86.2% 2015: 82.2% 2014: 83.8% 2013: 79% 2012: 64.2% 2011: 43.4% So I think it's fair to use the present tense, especially now that Apple will stop disclosing iPhone unit sales which indicates they are no longer growing. I wonder whether we'll see a tipping point - especially in poor countries where the Android share is close to 100% - where developers start producing Android apps but not iPhone apps, and this affects the desirability of iPhone. As a side note: I hate statista and hope it is removed from Google search because (a) 90% of the time when I try to access that page I see a "Exclusive Premium statistic" label that blocks 80% of the graph; (b) 100% of the time when I try to view the source figures of the graph I get the "Exclusive Premium Functionality" blocker.
- ksec 8y ago
  Global Sales. Not Global Usage Shares. Android has a pattern of faster replacement cycle. There are Currently 5B Mobile User World Wide, 3.3B Smartphone, 2.5B Android, 800M iPhone users. Both the Smartphone and iPhone user base are still growing. So Apple has roughly 25% of the world market share. This is not bad consider there are 500M+ Smartphone users in India which Apple has less than 2% market shares. Looking at the trend line and from line of speech, I think most analyst ( Well, only a few really. Most of them don't care about its actual market usage. ) were predicting the 1B iPhone user base by 2020. Fueled party by iPhone XR, or the supposedly affordable iPhone. Now it doesn't look like it.
  - oblio 8y ago
    The thing is, I don't have hard numbers for this, but from what I know (and it makes sense, given my personal experience with people and desktop OSs, car brands, clothing brands, etc.), regular people don't switch that much between mobile platforms. I'm pretty sure Android is growing faster than iOS, worldwide. And most of the users that get entry level or mid range level Android phones won't "upgrade" to iOS, they will just get better Android phones, since they already know the system. Barring some super successful entry level iOS device [1] being introduced by Apple, which is unlikely, Android's market share will only go up. Apple will still be super profitable, though. [1] And that won't happen, as Linus from Linus Tech Tips put it: Apple is jewelry and people don't buy cheap jewelry :)
    - ksec 8y ago
      >I'm pretty sure Android is growing faster than iOS, worldwide. And most of the users that get entry level or mid range level Android phones won't "upgrade" to iOS, they will just get better Android phones, since they already know the system. First one is true. Mostly because Smartphone Saturation. The growth are in Low Pricing phones, 80% of the Smartphone in India are below $250. And Apple doesn't have phone below $400. The Not Switching to iOS is false. While everyone has expected that, in reality Apple is still growing its user base, at a rate of roughly 100M in 18 months. That means roughly 25% to 30% of all iPhone purchase were coming from Android.

te_chris 8y ago

Global market share. In most western countries it's around 50/50 or 60/40 one way or the other. End of the day, that's still where most of the purchasing power is.

danieldk 8y ago
Indeed, and Apple's services revenue is also growing quite a bit. So, they'll want chunks of the market where it is also likely that people will be purchasing paid apps, iCloud storage, Apple Music, movies, etc.
tpush 8y ago
> In most western countries it's around 50/50 or 60/40 one way or the other. Not really, it's 70/30 Android/iOS for the whole of Europe on average.
- te_chris 8y ago
  Yeah, but in the wealthier countries, apart from Germany and France, it seems iOS is either almost tied or in the majority (I just looked at US, UK, Canada, Netherlands, Sweden)

MarkMc 8y ago

Here are the Android Q2 figures from that link: 2018: 88% 2017: 87.8% 2016: 86.2% 2015: 82.2% 2014: 83.8% 2013: 79% 2012: 64.2% 2011: 43.4% So I think it's fair to use the present tense, especially now that Apple will stop disclosing iPhone unit sales which indicates they are no longer growing. I wonder whether we'll see a tipping point - especially in poor countries where the Android share is close to 100% - where developers start producing Android apps but not iPhone apps, and this affects the desirability of iPhone. As a side note: I hate statista and hope it is removed from Google search because (a) 90% of the time when I try to access that page I see a "Exclusive Premium statistic" label that blocks 80% of the graph; (b) 100% of the time when I try to view the source figures of the graph I get the "Exclusive Premium Functionality" blocker.

ksec 8y ago
Global Sales. Not Global Usage Shares. Android has a pattern of faster replacement cycle. There are Currently 5B Mobile User World Wide, 3.3B Smartphone, 2.5B Android, 800M iPhone users. Both the Smartphone and iPhone user base are still growing. So Apple has roughly 25% of the world market share. This is not bad consider there are 500M+ Smartphone users in India which Apple has less than 2% market shares. Looking at the trend line and from line of speech, I think most analyst ( Well, only a few really. Most of them don't care about its actual market usage. ) were predicting the 1B iPhone user base by 2020. Fueled party by iPhone XR, or the supposedly affordable iPhone. Now it doesn't look like it.
- oblio 8y ago
  The thing is, I don't have hard numbers for this, but from what I know (and it makes sense, given my personal experience with people and desktop OSs, car brands, clothing brands, etc.), regular people don't switch that much between mobile platforms. I'm pretty sure Android is growing faster than iOS, worldwide. And most of the users that get entry level or mid range level Android phones won't "upgrade" to iOS, they will just get better Android phones, since they already know the system. Barring some super successful entry level iOS device [1] being introduced by Apple, which is unlikely, Android's market share will only go up. Apple will still be super profitable, though. [1] And that won't happen, as Linus from Linus Tech Tips put it: Apple is jewelry and people don't buy cheap jewelry :)
  - ksec 8y ago
    >I'm pretty sure Android is growing faster than iOS, worldwide. And most of the users that get entry level or mid range level Android phones won't "upgrade" to iOS, they will just get better Android phones, since they already know the system. First one is true. Mostly because Smartphone Saturation. The growth are in Low Pricing phones, 80% of the Smartphone in India are below $250. And Apple doesn't have phone below $400. The Not Switching to iOS is false. While everyone has expected that, in reality Apple is still growing its user base, at a rate of roughly 100M in 18 months. That means roughly 25% to 30% of all iPhone purchase were coming from Android.