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Just a copy and paste of a comment I wrote on his blog.... ---start comment--- This is funny, I just wrote about the Chinese middle class a couple of days ago:
by PakG1 16y ago
Just a copy and paste of a comment I wrote on his blog....
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This is funny, I just wrote about the Chinese middle class a couple of days ago:
http://www.pakg1.net/2010/10/changing-chinese-mindset-towards.html http://www.pakg1.net/2010/10/changing-chinese-mindset-toward...
I think your points were correct maybe 3 years ago. I don't think they are now. China still has a lot of issues that could cause it to stumble, but I don't think a lack of a middle class is one of them.
As well, I cannot think of more Indian executives than I can Chinese executives. In fact, I think Chinese executives by far have the lead, simply because HK and Taiwan are more westernized and advanced than maybe even India. The simple fact is that HK and Taiwan play nicer with China than a lot of people know, simply because the economics make it worthwhile. There may be a lot of political strife in the news, but there's a lot of money flowing behind the scenes.
Finally, as an expat who's living in China right now, I can honestly say that not only does this middle class exist, their English is pretty darn good. And I'm finding that increasingly often, they have a 3rd language (in my case, I'm running into a ton of Japanese speakers).
So in all, I think this view is a tad outdated. India probably has a bright future, but as anyone who attended the APCAC 2010 conference this year can attest (and even Indian panel speakers there attested to this), India is way behind in a number of areas, especially the infrastructure necessary to really rev its economy up. That investment is only now just starting due to the fact that their democratic government apparently has its first real majority government ever.
And you may wish to fix this apparent contradiction when comparing the middle classes of the two countries....
"China has the population, the will, the educational system, the foreign currency reserves — everything to make it the next global superpower except two things: 1) an emerging middle class generation comparable to our Baby Boomers"
"What I find interesting is that most people just take it as bible truth that China will be the next superpower because it is so number-oriented (huge infrastructure dollars, huge manufacturing dollars, higher per capital wealth than India, bigger middle class, etc…)."
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- mrtron 16y agoI don't agree with HK and strongly disagree with Taiwan. If you erroneously include HK and Taiwan executives as "Chinese middle class", the tiny population of these regions still represent a tiny percentage of the area. Will there be a larget Indian or Chinese middle class? I agree with the post that India will have a rising middle class of hundreds of millions before China. China's top down politics results in hoarding and exporting cash for wealthy families. Successful Indians seem to have a stronger reinvest in technology mindset.
- PakG1 16y agoWhen did I call executives middle class? He made two points, one about an alleged lack of a Chinese middle class, and the other about the breadth of Indian executives. They are not the same, and I did not respond as if they were the same. You totally misread me. Furthermore, if you haven't seen a middle class here in your visit here a few months ago, you haven't interacted with people here. I'm living here in China right now, and I interact with the middle class every day at work, on the streets, in community centres, etc. It's for real. If you live here for a few months and seriously interact with the locals and STILL for some reason don't see a middle class, then I'll start taking your opinion seriously on that matter. But it'll be hard because I'm experiencing the exact opposite. For the record, the super rich are not the middle class. They are the super rich. Don't get them confused. The Hiltons and other big family money in the US can't be considered middle class either, and it really seems to me that you're referring to those types as your "middle class".