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Why? It's hosted sharepoint and exchange and lync and active directory, AND development of sharepoint and exchange and lync and active directory. It's not jus

by basch 8y ago

Why? It's hosted sharepoint and exchange and lync and active directory, AND development of sharepoint and exchange and lync and active directory. It's not just buying hosting from rackspace. Office 365, OWA, SharePoint Online/OneDrive, AD, and Teams (VoIP) are absolutely a cloud service.

GVIrish 8y ago
Exactly. Everyone reads "Office 365" and think that it only means Word/Excel/Powerpoint, when it actually includes Sharepoint and Exchange as well as OneDrive. The cost and support savings for enterprises going from on-prem to cloud with stuff like Sharepoint can be huge. And Microsoft, for all its faults, understands the enterprise market in a way that Google and Apple definitely don't. I think Amazon has a better understanding of enterprise customers but they don't have the product offering to rival what Microsoft brings to the game. And because of the synergies Microsoft can offer, they can eat into the pie of other companies like Salesforce. Dynamics CRM isn't as good as Salesforce but it's easier to justify if you've already bought into the rest of the Office365 ecosystem. I think Microsoft is poised for serious growth with their cloud offerings that is going to drive strong stock price growth for years to come.
- gcb0 8y ago
  that was the case before the "cloud" too
  - basch 8y ago
    cloud removes the friction. reserve a license, apply it to an account, they now have instant access to a "Project Server" or a "Dynamics Server" all within an hour.
    - GVIrish 8y ago
      Couldn't have written it better. Before the synergy was there because of the way Microsoft bundled licenses of their products. But you still had the hurdle of deployment and support of the on-prem products, which meant you had to either hire or allocate staff to administer those products. Now that additional staff cost is gone, and stuff can be provisioned in no time at all.
      - gcb0 8y ago
        that is not a change on the product. but on the client expectation. We are talking about the Decision to go with microsoft or not today. In the past clients would always deal with on-prem installs. But picking ActiveDir and Exchange was decided on their need of office. Today, clients expect to create account, deal with SSO if they are big and that is it. Now picking microsoft offerings is still based on their need of Office. It is all the same picture.
- gruez 8y ago
  >when it actually includes Sharepoint and Exchange as well as OneDrive. onedrive for business is sharepoint.
  - basch 8y ago
    OneDrive (formerly Live Mesh) is also a piece of software, a client windows, mobile, and web app. The mobile and windows apps SYNC data from SharePoint to either File Explorer or store it in the mobile app itself, for offline viewing.
tracker1 8y ago
As a user, I absolutely love MS Teams... it runs everywhere (as an Electron app) so I can use it on my hackintosh, android phone, laptop at work, etc. I can get on a voip meeting anywhere (issues getting my car to sync properly not withstanding). Totally replaces lync/skype imho. OWA is okay, and I understand the changes in Outlook proper to be closer to that, and I know the reasons why (eventually consistent backend), but the Outlook app experience is a bit jarring on some instances, but getting better again. I don't use Sharepoint (except via Teams' wiki) and don't use OneDrive much, but others in our org definitely do. For any business with even a dozen employees on computers, Office 365 is definitely worth the cost of entry over trying to maintain those kinds of things internally. No affiliation with MS, and don't even run Windows where I don't have to, just appreciate the services for what they are. I do wish that google would step up here a bit more, their solution is just so disjointed by comparison, and it's like they've got an identity crisis. MS totally leapfrogged them in terms of online document/mail solutions for business. I would like to see better identity integration for Azure/AD with Apple and Linux desktops. Most of my experience with macbooks is middling to horrible, and Linux hasn't been a laptop/desktop option in any workplace I've been in using AD, which would be my first preference.
- basch 8y ago
  you dont store any files in the Teams files tab? Just chat and meetings? If you store word, excel, powerpoint documents elsewhere than SharePoint, and your storage doesnt have versioning, its definitely worth moving your data over.
  - tracker1 8y ago
    Yeah... sorry, I just don't think of it that way... I typically don't think of the wiki integration as Sharepoint either, just know that it is. As for files, for a lot of them, I use VSTS/Git for them a lot of the time. The PMs use it in teams more.

by basch 8y ago

GVIrish 8y ago

Exactly. Everyone reads "Office 365" and think that it only means Word/Excel/Powerpoint, when it actually includes Sharepoint and Exchange as well as OneDrive. The cost and support savings for enterprises going from on-prem to cloud with stuff like Sharepoint can be huge. And Microsoft, for all its faults, understands the enterprise market in a way that Google and Apple definitely don't. I think Amazon has a better understanding of enterprise customers but they don't have the product offering to rival what Microsoft brings to the game. And because of the synergies Microsoft can offer, they can eat into the pie of other companies like Salesforce. Dynamics CRM isn't as good as Salesforce but it's easier to justify if you've already bought into the rest of the Office365 ecosystem. I think Microsoft is poised for serious growth with their cloud offerings that is going to drive strong stock price growth for years to come.

gcb0 8y ago
that was the case before the "cloud" too
- basch 8y ago
  cloud removes the friction. reserve a license, apply it to an account, they now have instant access to a "Project Server" or a "Dynamics Server" all within an hour.
  - GVIrish 8y ago
    Couldn't have written it better. Before the synergy was there because of the way Microsoft bundled licenses of their products. But you still had the hurdle of deployment and support of the on-prem products, which meant you had to either hire or allocate staff to administer those products. Now that additional staff cost is gone, and stuff can be provisioned in no time at all.
    - gcb0 8y ago
      that is not a change on the product. but on the client expectation. We are talking about the Decision to go with microsoft or not today. In the past clients would always deal with on-prem installs. But picking ActiveDir and Exchange was decided on their need of office. Today, clients expect to create account, deal with SSO if they are big and that is it. Now picking microsoft offerings is still based on their need of Office. It is all the same picture.
gruez 8y ago
>when it actually includes Sharepoint and Exchange as well as OneDrive. onedrive for business is sharepoint.
- basch 8y ago
  OneDrive (formerly Live Mesh) is also a piece of software, a client windows, mobile, and web app. The mobile and windows apps SYNC data from SharePoint to either File Explorer or store it in the mobile app itself, for offline viewing.

tracker1 8y ago

As a user, I absolutely love MS Teams... it runs everywhere (as an Electron app) so I can use it on my hackintosh, android phone, laptop at work, etc. I can get on a voip meeting anywhere (issues getting my car to sync properly not withstanding). Totally replaces lync/skype imho. OWA is okay, and I understand the changes in Outlook proper to be closer to that, and I know the reasons why (eventually consistent backend), but the Outlook app experience is a bit jarring on some instances, but getting better again. I don't use Sharepoint (except via Teams' wiki) and don't use OneDrive much, but others in our org definitely do. For any business with even a dozen employees on computers, Office 365 is definitely worth the cost of entry over trying to maintain those kinds of things internally. No affiliation with MS, and don't even run Windows where I don't have to, just appreciate the services for what they are. I do wish that google would step up here a bit more, their solution is just so disjointed by comparison, and it's like they've got an identity crisis. MS totally leapfrogged them in terms of online document/mail solutions for business. I would like to see better identity integration for Azure/AD with Apple and Linux desktops. Most of my experience with macbooks is middling to horrible, and Linux hasn't been a laptop/desktop option in any workplace I've been in using AD, which would be my first preference.

basch 8y ago
you dont store any files in the Teams files tab? Just chat and meetings? If you store word, excel, powerpoint documents elsewhere than SharePoint, and your storage doesnt have versioning, its definitely worth moving your data over.
- tracker1 8y ago
  Yeah... sorry, I just don't think of it that way... I typically don't think of the wiki integration as Sharepoint either, just know that it is. As for files, for a lot of them, I use VSTS/Git for them a lot of the time. The PMs use it in teams more.