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> Contrast that to countries like most of the West, where at least a solid proportion of people consider it socially unacceptable to discriminate socially based

> Contrast that to countries like most of the West, where at least a solid proportion of people consider it socially unacceptable to discriminate socially based on someone's looks or origins.. Those things are also socially unacceptable in Japan. My experience is that the often discussed "micro-agressions" against foreigners happen about as often in Japan as they do in my own country (US, grew up in Texas). Of course, the only complaints that foreigners in Japan can make is about trivia. The US is so fucked up that we cannot seem to stop shooting unarmed black men, we're separating mothers from babies, and as of last week now tear gassing families at the border. So not sure if you are American, but many of the foreigners in Japan that complain of discrimination are, and I just want to say that I think it takes a lot of balls for an American in Japan to be like "hey, you guys can do a lot better with the discrimination thing." As horrifying as someone being impressed with your ability to use chopsticks is, it's not quite so horrifying as being literally shot for walking on the street. Many people in the US freeze up if a black person so much as walks by them on the street. And on the other side of the pacific? Ask a random stranger for directions; 9 times out of 10 they will stop whatever they are doing and walk with you to wherever you are going.

barry-cotter 8y ago
Using tear gas at the border is an American thing, not a Trump thing. https://www.businessinsider.com/border-patrol-also-used-tear-gas-pepper-spray-at-border-under-obama-2018-11 https://www.businessinsider.com/border-patrol-also-used-tear... > The use of tear gas at the border by CBP began in 2010. > Since fiscal year 2012, CBP has employed tear gas a total of 126 times, but its use hit a 7-year high under Trump in fiscal year 2018.
- alsetmusic 8y ago
  > Using tear gas at the border is an American thing, not a Trump thing. No one above thread claimed any individual was responsible. The apologetics of inserting that statement is unnecessary. I do respect that you added citations.
Iamhisalt 8y ago
Being asked if you can use chopsticks for the 10,000 time is a living hell.
philliphaydon 8y ago
It must be hard working on the border when people bring children that are not their own to fast tack their way through into the country. Or when families lie about their child’s age to loophole the system. But it’s easier for us to focus on the separation rather than the reason the separation exists to begin with. And let’s not forget tear gas being used for crowds of people throwing stones at border patrol. No lets focus on tear gas issue and less of the people doing their job being assulted.
- crc32 8y ago
  > people bring children that are not their own to fast tack their way through into the country. Or when families lie about their child’s age to loophole the system. Completely citation & evidence free assertions - smells like slander to me.
  - philliphaydon 8y ago
    https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-border-patrol-dna-20180508-htmlstory.html https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-border-patrol-dna-20180... https://www.foxnews.com/us/migrant-children-being-used-as-commodity-to-circumvent-a-loophole-border-agent-says https://www.foxnews.com/us/migrant-children-being-used-as-co... https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/illegal-immigration-enforcement-separating-kids-at-border/ https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/illegal-immigration-e... https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/adults-posing-as-children-in-attempt-to-exploit-loopholes-in-us-law-says-border-officials https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/adults-posing-as-chi... https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/2/illegal-immigrant-men-sneak-children-us-exploit-fa/ https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/2/illegal-immigr... I Guess cos cnn didn’t talk about it, it must be slander and lies tho.
    - crc32 8y ago
      From your fox news link: "On Thursday, officials revealed that in seven of 102 cases involving children under 5 separated from their guardians, the adult was determined not to actually be the parent." So ok, you're only slandering ~95% of those 102. If you don't like the term "slander" how about "generalisation" or "prejudice". Forgive me if these words have negative connotations, or "trigger feelings" - but what term would you use, to describe declaring 100% of a group to have attributes that only apply to - by your very own research - 5% of that group?
loveyourmother 8y ago
>The US is so fucked up that we cannot seem to stop shooting unarmed black men Twice as many white men are shot by police but I can't remember the last time I saw a national news story about one of them. Name one in recent years you heard covered in the national news. [0] I edited out "unarmed". That ratio slightly favors white males. >we're separating mothers from babies, and as of last week now tear gassing families at the border. Everyday, across this beautiful land, we seperate children from their parents for commiting crimes. We have a legal immigration system. What does Japan do to people who enter illegally? How many refugees did they take in 2017? 20. Out of 20,000 applications. They could do a little more, right? [1] [0]https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/police-shootings-2018/?utm_term=.3508fbf32b99 https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/police... [1]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/16/japan-asylum-applications-2017-accepted-20 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/16/japan-asylum-a...
- fredoliveira 8y ago
  > Everyday, across this beautiful land, we seperate children from their parents for commiting crimes. We have a legal immigration system. It is possible to have a legal immigration system and to be humane when dealing with people who for some reason wouldn't/couldn't go through it. Especially if it involves kids - as I'm pretty sure they are not to blame on any of this.
- crc32 8y ago
  > Twice as many unarmed white men are shot by police I visited your link and could not see a matching statistic. Filtering by "unarmed" and hovering over "Race" I got a count of 19 White, 15 Black, 4 Hispanic. I then also had a quick look at the article for "Brett Luengo", [0] (White) which states i.e. "Luengo attacked a woman first..." etc. etc.; I mean it goes on for quite a while. So seems like there's a big variation in the definition of "unarmed man" shooting that doesn't preclude other kinds of violent or aggressive activity/indications. Looks to me like the statistics are not really telling the whole story there so maybe that's why you don't hear them "covered in the national news". [0] https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/deputy-involved-shooting-on-i-90-in-cuyahoga-couty https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-met...
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isoskeles 8y ago
> Many people in the US freeze up if a black person so much as walks by them on the street. That sounds serious. How many?

barry-cotter 8y ago

Using tear gas at the border is an American thing, not a Trump thing. https://www.businessinsider.com/border-patrol-also-used-tear-gas-pepper-spray-at-border-under-obama-2018-11 https://www.businessinsider.com/border-patrol-also-used-tear... > The use of tear gas at the border by CBP began in 2010. > Since fiscal year 2012, CBP has employed tear gas a total of 126 times, but its use hit a 7-year high under Trump in fiscal year 2018.

alsetmusic 8y ago
> Using tear gas at the border is an American thing, not a Trump thing. No one above thread claimed any individual was responsible. The apologetics of inserting that statement is unnecessary. I do respect that you added citations.

Iamhisalt 8y ago

Being asked if you can use chopsticks for the 10,000 time is a living hell.

philliphaydon 8y ago

It must be hard working on the border when people bring children that are not their own to fast tack their way through into the country. Or when families lie about their child’s age to loophole the system. But it’s easier for us to focus on the separation rather than the reason the separation exists to begin with. And let’s not forget tear gas being used for crowds of people throwing stones at border patrol. No lets focus on tear gas issue and less of the people doing their job being assulted.

crc32 8y ago
> people bring children that are not their own to fast tack their way through into the country. Or when families lie about their child’s age to loophole the system. Completely citation & evidence free assertions - smells like slander to me.
- philliphaydon 8y ago
  https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-border-patrol-dna-20180508-htmlstory.html https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-border-patrol-dna-20180... https://www.foxnews.com/us/migrant-children-being-used-as-commodity-to-circumvent-a-loophole-border-agent-says https://www.foxnews.com/us/migrant-children-being-used-as-co... https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/illegal-immigration-enforcement-separating-kids-at-border/ https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/illegal-immigration-e... https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/adults-posing-as-children-in-attempt-to-exploit-loopholes-in-us-law-says-border-officials https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/adults-posing-as-chi... https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/2/illegal-immigrant-men-sneak-children-us-exploit-fa/ https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/2/illegal-immigr... I Guess cos cnn didn’t talk about it, it must be slander and lies tho.
  - crc32 8y ago
    From your fox news link: "On Thursday, officials revealed that in seven of 102 cases involving children under 5 separated from their guardians, the adult was determined not to actually be the parent." So ok, you're only slandering ~95% of those 102. If you don't like the term "slander" how about "generalisation" or "prejudice". Forgive me if these words have negative connotations, or "trigger feelings" - but what term would you use, to describe declaring 100% of a group to have attributes that only apply to - by your very own research - 5% of that group?

loveyourmother 8y ago

>The US is so fucked up that we cannot seem to stop shooting unarmed black men Twice as many white men are shot by police but I can't remember the last time I saw a national news story about one of them. Name one in recent years you heard covered in the national news. [0] I edited out "unarmed". That ratio slightly favors white males. >we're separating mothers from babies, and as of last week now tear gassing families at the border. Everyday, across this beautiful land, we seperate children from their parents for commiting crimes. We have a legal immigration system. What does Japan do to people who enter illegally? How many refugees did they take in 2017? 20. Out of 20,000 applications. They could do a little more, right? [1] [0]https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/police-shootings-2018/?utm_term=.3508fbf32b99 https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/police... [1]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/16/japan-asylum-applications-2017-accepted-20 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/16/japan-asylum-a...

fredoliveira 8y ago
> Everyday, across this beautiful land, we seperate children from their parents for commiting crimes. We have a legal immigration system. It is possible to have a legal immigration system and to be humane when dealing with people who for some reason wouldn't/couldn't go through it. Especially if it involves kids - as I'm pretty sure they are not to blame on any of this.
crc32 8y ago
> Twice as many unarmed white men are shot by police I visited your link and could not see a matching statistic. Filtering by "unarmed" and hovering over "Race" I got a count of 19 White, 15 Black, 4 Hispanic. I then also had a quick look at the article for "Brett Luengo", [0] (White) which states i.e. "Luengo attacked a woman first..." etc. etc.; I mean it goes on for quite a while. So seems like there's a big variation in the definition of "unarmed man" shooting that doesn't preclude other kinds of violent or aggressive activity/indications. Looks to me like the statistics are not really telling the whole story there so maybe that's why you don't hear them "covered in the national news". [0] https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/deputy-involved-shooting-on-i-90-in-cuyahoga-couty https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-met...

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isoskeles 8y ago

> Many people in the US freeze up if a black person so much as walks by them on the street. That sounds serious. How many?