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Do you have stats on that? I'm not German, so perhaps I'm ill informed, but this report indicates that actual new coal plants have opened up in the past decade.

by graeme 8y ago

Do you have stats on that? I'm not German, so perhaps I'm ill informed, but this report indicates that actual new coal plants have opened up in the past decade. https://www.energycentral.com/c/ec/why-germanys-nuclear-phase-out-leading-more-coal-burning https://www.energycentral.com/c/ec/why-germanys-nuclear-phas...

Arnt 8y ago
Don't need stats, the wikipedians have a complete list: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_geplanter_Kohlekraftwerke_in_Deutschland https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_geplanter_Kohlekraftwerk... Both extensions and new coal plants are there. I'll translate the key column: "plans declared invalid", "planning paused", "application submitted", "planning stopped", "being planned, blocked on (a kind of lawsuit)" and finally "being planned, building uncertain due to questions about profit". The most interesting one is perhaps the first, which is an extension that started construction in 2007. It still isn't done and its license to operate is dependent on two lawsuits. From the public documents it's somewhat uncertain to me whether the license to operate is real. It might be a true yes, or it might be a complicated no: "you may use the new plant, but it has to emit less mercury than you possibly can achieve." I'm not sure. Either way, the owners don't seem to have spent much money on completing the building in the past year. They clearly have a license to build it and are spending money on lawyers and on removing some things that were leakily built, but AFAICT they aren't spending real money on progressing the building. The wikipedia article on that links to https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/oct/16/world-going-slow-coal-misinformation-distorting-facts https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/oct/16/world-go... which you may find interesting. The energycentral page says new plants are needed and will be built, but it doesn't name any. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_fossil-thermischen_Kraftwerken_in_Deutschland https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_fossil-thermischen_K... names them. The list is a bit difficult to read. Following up on the recent ones, it seems that only one of the <10yo coal plants is both operating and planned to continue operating as a coal plant. I might have overlooked a detail or two, but not a trend.

by graeme 8y ago

Arnt 8y ago

Don't need stats, the wikipedians have a complete list: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_geplanter_Kohlekraftwerke_in_Deutschland https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_geplanter_Kohlekraftwerk... Both extensions and new coal plants are there. I'll translate the key column: "plans declared invalid", "planning paused", "application submitted", "planning stopped", "being planned, blocked on (a kind of lawsuit)" and finally "being planned, building uncertain due to questions about profit". The most interesting one is perhaps the first, which is an extension that started construction in 2007. It still isn't done and its license to operate is dependent on two lawsuits. From the public documents it's somewhat uncertain to me whether the license to operate is real. It might be a true yes, or it might be a complicated no: "you may use the new plant, but it has to emit less mercury than you possibly can achieve." I'm not sure. Either way, the owners don't seem to have spent much money on completing the building in the past year. They clearly have a license to build it and are spending money on lawyers and on removing some things that were leakily built, but AFAICT they aren't spending real money on progressing the building. The wikipedia article on that links to https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/oct/16/world-going-slow-coal-misinformation-distorting-facts https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/oct/16/world-go... which you may find interesting. The energycentral page says new plants are needed and will be built, but it doesn't name any. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_fossil-thermischen_Kraftwerken_in_Deutschland https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_fossil-thermischen_K... names them. The list is a bit difficult to read. Following up on the recent ones, it seems that only one of the <10yo coal plants is both operating and planned to continue operating as a coal plant. I might have overlooked a detail or two, but not a trend.