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They may be less vulnerable to attacks from outsiders, but they are much more vulnerable to attacks from their own government. It's similar to totalitarian gove

They may be less vulnerable to attacks from outsiders, but they are much more vulnerable to attacks from their own government. It's similar to totalitarian governments; they might keep organized crime low, but they expose people to far more crime from the government itself. I would expect people in China and in the Chinese government to also be more vulnerable to misleading and suboptimal information, because there is a lack of competing ideas.

hammock 8y ago
>They may be less vulnerable to attacks from outsiders, but they are much more vulnerable to attacks from their own government. It's similar to totalitarian governments Interesting that you say that about China, because that was exactly Bruce Schneier's conclusion about the United States: >Our research implies that insider attacks from within American politics can be more pernicious than attacks from other countries. https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2018/11/propaganda_and_.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2018/11/propaganda_an...
- commandlinefan 8y ago
  > Without any evidence whatsoever, he said that Democrats were trying to steal the election through "FRAUD." Well, wait a minute - both of those races had already been called in favor of the Republican candidate on the night of the election until boxes and boxes of mysteriously Democrat-leaning ballots were suddenly found the following day... I think that constitutes evidence, even if it's not conclusive.
  - orf 8y ago
    Evidence of a poorly managed election system split into tens of thousands of individual parts across 50 states in dire need of reform (but will never be, because one party benefits from the status quo), or evidence of a Democratic conspiracy to fraudulently seize power by creating 'mysterious' ballot boxes in the most hamfisted and public way possible? Sure.
  - forapurpose 8y ago
    For any set of boxes, there is a 50-50 chance that they will favor one or the other party. Given the geographic polarization of the parties, the boxes seem likely to heavily favor one or the other party. We can't distinguish the event from random chance, afaik, and therefore it's not evidence. > mysteriously Is there a basis for this word?
    - hammock 8y ago
      Seems the basis would be, that the new votes were highly un-representative of all the other votes previously tallied (majority Republican) The parent comment probably disagrees with your assessment of 50/50.
- forapurpose 8y ago
  What I mean is: > [People in dictatorships] may be less vulnerable [than people in democracies] to attacks from outsiders, but they are much more vulnerable to attacks from their own government. What the study is saying is: > Our research implies that insider attacks from within American politics can be more pernicious than attacks from other countries. That is, I'm comparing the vulnerability of people in democracies to people in dictatorships; the report is comparing the vulnerability of people in democracies to attack A or attack B. We're not disagreeing.
  - hammock 8y ago
    Yes. The point of agreement is that both people in dictatorships AND people in democracies are more vulnerable to insider attacks from their own governments, than to outsider attacks. I was calling that out as .. interesting.

hammock 8y ago

>They may be less vulnerable to attacks from outsiders, but they are much more vulnerable to attacks from their own government. It's similar to totalitarian governments Interesting that you say that about China, because that was exactly Bruce Schneier's conclusion about the United States: >Our research implies that insider attacks from within American politics can be more pernicious than attacks from other countries. https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2018/11/propaganda_and_.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2018/11/propaganda_an...

commandlinefan 8y ago
> Without any evidence whatsoever, he said that Democrats were trying to steal the election through "FRAUD." Well, wait a minute - both of those races had already been called in favor of the Republican candidate on the night of the election until boxes and boxes of mysteriously Democrat-leaning ballots were suddenly found the following day... I think that constitutes evidence, even if it's not conclusive.
- orf 8y ago
  Evidence of a poorly managed election system split into tens of thousands of individual parts across 50 states in dire need of reform (but will never be, because one party benefits from the status quo), or evidence of a Democratic conspiracy to fraudulently seize power by creating 'mysterious' ballot boxes in the most hamfisted and public way possible? Sure.
- forapurpose 8y ago
  For any set of boxes, there is a 50-50 chance that they will favor one or the other party. Given the geographic polarization of the parties, the boxes seem likely to heavily favor one or the other party. We can't distinguish the event from random chance, afaik, and therefore it's not evidence. > mysteriously Is there a basis for this word?
  - hammock 8y ago
    Seems the basis would be, that the new votes were highly un-representative of all the other votes previously tallied (majority Republican) The parent comment probably disagrees with your assessment of 50/50.
forapurpose 8y ago
What I mean is: > [People in dictatorships] may be less vulnerable [than people in democracies] to attacks from outsiders, but they are much more vulnerable to attacks from their own government. What the study is saying is: > Our research implies that insider attacks from within American politics can be more pernicious than attacks from other countries. That is, I'm comparing the vulnerability of people in democracies to people in dictatorships; the report is comparing the vulnerability of people in democracies to attack A or attack B. We're not disagreeing.
- hammock 8y ago
  Yes. The point of agreement is that both people in dictatorships AND people in democracies are more vulnerable to insider attacks from their own governments, than to outsider attacks. I was calling that out as .. interesting.