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These tunnels can have a bunch of buses running in them next to each other (ie a train). Cars are great. When there is no congestion you get fast point-to-point

These tunnels can have a bunch of buses running in them next to each other (ie a train). Cars are great. When there is no congestion you get fast point-to-point transportation at any time. We should work on making this mode of transportation better, not trying to kill it. Make the cars more energy efficient, underground roads to fix the noise and land use problems, make them automatic to reduce deaths, etc. Would you ban a teleportation system that was energy efficient and insist people take trains and subways? Trains and subways are much inferior mode of transport compared to a functioning road system with vechicles. I wonder why so many people have this car hate? Scared of driving a car? They are dangerous and you have to pay attention to drive them, so that makes some sense to me. Some kind of socialist reason that people should be forced into contact with random other people. Sitting at home is what one should be doing instead of going places? Where did you get this idea that cars where some kind of evil device?

mips_avatar 8y ago
I don’t think this should be so downvoted. I think there’s a bunch of people on this thread downvoting anything that’s pro-tunnels.
jcranmer 8y ago
> I wonder why so many people have this car hate? Cars are one of the least space-efficient transportation option imaginable. In an urban environment, space comes at a premium. At the same time, car infrastructure is quite heavily subsidized. Finally, there is a very large car lobby that absolutely abhors the idea of spending a dime on anything that's not cars such that talking about mass transit is equated with a war on cars. (And quite frankly, you sound much closer to that end of the spectrum). > When there is no congestion you get fast point-to-point transportation at any time. Following on the above point I made about space-inefficiency... it's impossible to allocate enough space in cities to prevent such congestion. And tunnels don't help because it means you have a vertical circulation problem, which is a problem that we struggle to solve with conventional mass transit systems already, and it's even harder with cars. Ultimately, the reason why people like me are so against Loop is because we see it as Musk doing to car owners what Trump does to coal miners: sympathize with their plight, blame it on completely the wrong thing, and then peddle fantasies that he'll be able to make it better.

mips_avatar 8y ago

I don’t think this should be so downvoted. I think there’s a bunch of people on this thread downvoting anything that’s pro-tunnels.

jcranmer 8y ago

> I wonder why so many people have this car hate? Cars are one of the least space-efficient transportation option imaginable. In an urban environment, space comes at a premium. At the same time, car infrastructure is quite heavily subsidized. Finally, there is a very large car lobby that absolutely abhors the idea of spending a dime on anything that's not cars such that talking about mass transit is equated with a war on cars. (And quite frankly, you sound much closer to that end of the spectrum). > When there is no congestion you get fast point-to-point transportation at any time. Following on the above point I made about space-inefficiency... it's impossible to allocate enough space in cities to prevent such congestion. And tunnels don't help because it means you have a vertical circulation problem, which is a problem that we struggle to solve with conventional mass transit systems already, and it's even harder with cars. Ultimately, the reason why people like me are so against Loop is because we see it as Musk doing to car owners what Trump does to coal miners: sympathize with their plight, blame it on completely the wrong thing, and then peddle fantasies that he'll be able to make it better.