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It's got to be a rough day for the team at https://www.influxdata.com/ https://www.influxdata.com/ . This could become serious competition for their InfluxCloud

It's got to be a rough day for the team at https://www.influxdata.com/ https://www.influxdata.com/ . This could become serious competition for their InfluxCloud hosted offering.

lozaning 8y ago
Amazon is the best partner until you prove worth cannibalizing.
dominotw 8y ago
and for timescaledb, streamlio, two sigma, kdb+ , quasardb ( and perhaps pipelinedb)
- stingraycharles 8y ago
  QuasarDB employee chiming in - we’re not actually worried, our clients are typically operating at a scale that would make costs very prohibitive for this AWS product. Having said that, I can definitely see this be an interesting product for people doing less than 10k inserts per second.
  - dominotw 8y ago
    > make costs very prohibitive for this AWS product. Competing with AWS on just cost sounds worrying to me.
    - StreamBright 8y ago
      Actually not really. We have migrated several customers to AWS and our experience with AWS services are kind of all over the place. S3 is super cheap and reliable and there is almost nothing that beats that but for example CloudWatch is extremely expensive for a large scale operation that is easy to beat with custom software (like Prometheus or something similar). I guess even Datadog would beat them (and they have much more advanced features and integrations). This means that there are multiple software vendors can exist in the same space even when Amazon has an offering in that space.
hyperbovine 8y ago
This space is growing like mad. They would be remiss if they did not expect something like this.
beginningguava 8y ago
At what point are open source projects going to change their licensing to prevent the major cloud providers from just stealing their products? I highly doubt AWS built this from scratch. Amazon, Google, and Microsoft are going to choke the life out of these projects Redis and MongoDB at least seem to have woken up https://www.geekwire.com/2018/open-source-companies-considering-closed-approach/ https://www.geekwire.com/2018/open-source-companies-consider...
- lima 8y ago
  Why not? InfluxDB does not have these capabilities.
- Jedd 8y ago
  > At what point are open source projects going to change their licensing to prevent the major cloud providers from just stealing their products? There's a lot to unravel in there. I prefer 'free software' to 'open source' as it has a clearer meaning, especially in this context. Even so, no one can steal free / open source software (or as you say, product -- though that turn strongly implies a commercial offering). By definition you can't really stop anyone from using your free software, unless perhaps you start naming companies explicitly, but I can't imagine it'd be an easy process, or have a happy outcome, if you started targeting 'major cloud providers' for special conditions. Note that I am not an apologist for AWS, Google, Microsoft, etc - but it feels like the fundamental problem here is not massive corporations charging other people to access free software.
  - SEJeff 8y ago
    Free software and open source aren't always the same thing though. Free Software is software that through the license enforces a philosophy. Open source is software that through the license enforces the source code to remain open. I'm not a fan of RMS or his attitudes on most things, but am a strong OSS fan as it is the best way to develop and maintain software.
    - Jedd 8y ago
pauldix 8y ago
We've been expecting this for two years. It was just a matter of when. It validates our space. AWS did this to Elastic, they have competing products with NewRelic, Splunk, SumoLogic, and countless others. All of whom still have healthy businesses. Our goal remains the same: build the best possible product that optimizes for developer productivity and happiness. And open source as much as we possibly can while maintaining a healthy business.
- SEJeff 8y ago
  Can't wait to see your new cloud offering :)

It's got to be a rough day for the team at https://www.influxdata.com/ https://www.influxdata.com/ . This could become serious competition for their InfluxCloud hosted offering.

lozaning 8y ago

Amazon is the best partner until you prove worth cannibalizing.

dominotw 8y ago

and for timescaledb, streamlio, two sigma, kdb+ , quasardb ( and perhaps pipelinedb)

stingraycharles 8y ago
QuasarDB employee chiming in - we’re not actually worried, our clients are typically operating at a scale that would make costs very prohibitive for this AWS product. Having said that, I can definitely see this be an interesting product for people doing less than 10k inserts per second.
- dominotw 8y ago
  > make costs very prohibitive for this AWS product. Competing with AWS on just cost sounds worrying to me.
  - StreamBright 8y ago
    Actually not really. We have migrated several customers to AWS and our experience with AWS services are kind of all over the place. S3 is super cheap and reliable and there is almost nothing that beats that but for example CloudWatch is extremely expensive for a large scale operation that is easy to beat with custom software (like Prometheus or something similar). I guess even Datadog would beat them (and they have much more advanced features and integrations). This means that there are multiple software vendors can exist in the same space even when Amazon has an offering in that space.

hyperbovine 8y ago

This space is growing like mad. They would be remiss if they did not expect something like this.

beginningguava 8y ago

At what point are open source projects going to change their licensing to prevent the major cloud providers from just stealing their products? I highly doubt AWS built this from scratch. Amazon, Google, and Microsoft are going to choke the life out of these projects Redis and MongoDB at least seem to have woken up https://www.geekwire.com/2018/open-source-companies-considering-closed-approach/ https://www.geekwire.com/2018/open-source-companies-consider...

lima 8y ago
Why not? InfluxDB does not have these capabilities.
Jedd 8y ago
> At what point are open source projects going to change their licensing to prevent the major cloud providers from just stealing their products? There's a lot to unravel in there. I prefer 'free software' to 'open source' as it has a clearer meaning, especially in this context. Even so, no one can steal free / open source software (or as you say, product -- though that turn strongly implies a commercial offering). By definition you can't really stop anyone from using your free software, unless perhaps you start naming companies explicitly, but I can't imagine it'd be an easy process, or have a happy outcome, if you started targeting 'major cloud providers' for special conditions. Note that I am not an apologist for AWS, Google, Microsoft, etc - but it feels like the fundamental problem here is not massive corporations charging other people to access free software.
- SEJeff 8y ago
  Free software and open source aren't always the same thing though. Free Software is software that through the license enforces a philosophy. Open source is software that through the license enforces the source code to remain open. I'm not a fan of RMS or his attitudes on most things, but am a strong OSS fan as it is the best way to develop and maintain software.
  - Jedd 8y ago

pauldix 8y ago

We've been expecting this for two years. It was just a matter of when. It validates our space. AWS did this to Elastic, they have competing products with NewRelic, Splunk, SumoLogic, and countless others. All of whom still have healthy businesses. Our goal remains the same: build the best possible product that optimizes for developer productivity and happiness. And open source as much as we possibly can while maintaining a healthy business.

SEJeff 8y ago
Can't wait to see your new cloud offering :)