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Amazon Managed Blockchain -Easily create and manage scalable blockchain networks

34 points by irs 8y ago

therealmarv 8y ago
Step 1: Integrate this into your product. Step 2: Market your product based on Blockchain technology. Step 3: Fasten your seatbelt while beeing on the hype train!
bflesch 8y ago
So it seems this is in competition with the IBM Hyperledger offering. Does anybody know if the enterprise users of hyperledger prefer IBM's on-premise solution or are hyperledger deployments mostly happening in the cloud already anyways?
- rdl 8y ago
  Given that most of these are at the POC stage still, I think AWS is generally a win (easy to spin up demos, do POCs, etc.), even if on-prem ends up being how you'd eventually want to deploy it. I was more amused that the on-stage dude spent several minutes generally shitting on blockchain before announcing Managed Blockchain. (I tend to agree that non-currency non-subversive non-smartcontract apps generally don't require or benefit from blockchains.)
mkirklions 8y ago
So this is a centralized immutable database though Amazon? This is old tech, but repackaged and marketed to people who 'want the blockchain'. I think the only reason alt-coins exploded is that people had little understanding of how common databases were but lots of understanding of the explosion in Bitcoin Price.
- rdl 8y ago
  QLDB is the old tech (which is useful for the majority of important centralizable applications). Managed Blockchain is hyperledger or (eventually) ethereum, managed deployment on AWS.
kirykl 8y ago
>“Blockchain makes it possible to build applications where multiple parties can execute transactions without the need for a trusted, central authority.“ Except in this case when it’s run by a central authority
jeffbarg 8y ago
I'm much more excited about this new offering: https://aws.amazon.com/qldb/ https://aws.amazon.com/qldb/ (Disclaimer: I work at Amazon but not on AWS). A "cryptographically verified transaction log" seems like a much better alternative for almost all private blockchain use cases I've seen (there aren't many that make sense). It's cool that AWS offering a productized version of Ethereum for customers who want it, but I imagine once people get past the buzzwords, it makes much more sense to have something centralized, or use a secure public blockchain like Ethereum / Bitcoin for public auditing.
- julianozen 8y ago
  Agreed that QLDB makes sense for certain applications (voting). What is the purpose of a managed (centralized) blockchain? Can decentralized nodes nodes/parties be added to the network? Disclaimer I am Ex-AWS and Ex-Amazon.
toddwprice 8y ago
For the average developer just starting out, pick Aurora Serverless (MySQL or Postgres). It's probably all you will ever need. Relational databases are still the best general purpose thing out there.
decentralised 8y ago
If the network is reachable from the outside and there are other block producing & validating nodes elsewhere, then this could be an interesting setup for enterprises after all it's a P2P network.
txcwpalpha 8y ago
Sorry if this sounds rude, but please be sure to add a disclaimer that you work at Amazon if you're going to be posting recommendations for AWS products on HN. It already seems like Amazon is astroturfing HN this week with the 12 AWS articles currently on the front page (with 8 of them being posted by a different Amazon employee), and it doesn't help if Amazon employees are posting recommendations while pretending they don't work there (your use of the phrase "they" when referring to Amazon is a little weird) edit: You keep replying to this comment mentioning how you don't work there and don't have any ulterior motived, and then deleting it. Why? You do clearly work at Amazon based on your previous comments [1], which link to a GH profile that clearly says you work at Amazon. Whether you work specifically for AWS or not, it's still a conflict of interest for an Amazon employee to be posting recommendations for Amazon products and pretending not to be. It would be appropriate if you added a disclaimer to your original comment. edit: removing links to other user's profiles, etc
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- dang 8y ago
  You're crossing into harassing another user here, which is not cool. Bringing in someone's extraneous personal details or history as ammunition is particularly not allowed on HN. When people post a good, informative comment, it's important not to punish them for it. That trains the wrong behavior! Believe me, we're as sensitive to HN getting spammed/astroturfed as you are. But there's an obvious explanation for all the Amazon stories today, and it's nothing nefarious: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=by:dang%20big%20tech%20conference https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme.... We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18553686 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18553686 and marked it off-topic.
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eric_khun 8y ago
I'm in the early stage building https://nodablock.com/ https://nodablock.com/ that is pretty similar to Amazon Managed Blockchain. Excited to see them coming into that space!

34 points by irs 8y ago

Step 1: Integrate this into your product. Step 2: Market your product based on Blockchain technology. Step 3: Fasten your seatbelt while beeing on the hype train!

bflesch 8y ago

So it seems this is in competition with the IBM Hyperledger offering. Does anybody know if the enterprise users of hyperledger prefer IBM's on-premise solution or are hyperledger deployments mostly happening in the cloud already anyways?

rdl 8y ago
Given that most of these are at the POC stage still, I think AWS is generally a win (easy to spin up demos, do POCs, etc.), even if on-prem ends up being how you'd eventually want to deploy it. I was more amused that the on-stage dude spent several minutes generally shitting on blockchain before announcing Managed Blockchain. (I tend to agree that non-currency non-subversive non-smartcontract apps generally don't require or benefit from blockchains.)

mkirklions 8y ago

So this is a centralized immutable database though Amazon? This is old tech, but repackaged and marketed to people who 'want the blockchain'. I think the only reason alt-coins exploded is that people had little understanding of how common databases were but lots of understanding of the explosion in Bitcoin Price.

rdl 8y ago
QLDB is the old tech (which is useful for the majority of important centralizable applications). Managed Blockchain is hyperledger or (eventually) ethereum, managed deployment on AWS.

kirykl 8y ago

>“Blockchain makes it possible to build applications where multiple parties can execute transactions without the need for a trusted, central authority.“ Except in this case when it’s run by a central authority

jeffbarg 8y ago

I'm much more excited about this new offering: https://aws.amazon.com/qldb/ https://aws.amazon.com/qldb/ (Disclaimer: I work at Amazon but not on AWS). A "cryptographically verified transaction log" seems like a much better alternative for almost all private blockchain use cases I've seen (there aren't many that make sense). It's cool that AWS offering a productized version of Ethereum for customers who want it, but I imagine once people get past the buzzwords, it makes much more sense to have something centralized, or use a secure public blockchain like Ethereum / Bitcoin for public auditing.

julianozen 8y ago
Agreed that QLDB makes sense for certain applications (voting). What is the purpose of a managed (centralized) blockchain? Can decentralized nodes nodes/parties be added to the network? Disclaimer I am Ex-AWS and Ex-Amazon.

toddwprice 8y ago

For the average developer just starting out, pick Aurora Serverless (MySQL or Postgres). It's probably all you will ever need. Relational databases are still the best general purpose thing out there.

decentralised 8y ago

If the network is reachable from the outside and there are other block producing & validating nodes elsewhere, then this could be an interesting setup for enterprises after all it's a P2P network.

txcwpalpha 8y ago

Sorry if this sounds rude, but please be sure to add a disclaimer that you work at Amazon if you're going to be posting recommendations for AWS products on HN. It already seems like Amazon is astroturfing HN this week with the 12 AWS articles currently on the front page (with 8 of them being posted by a different Amazon employee), and it doesn't help if Amazon employees are posting recommendations while pretending they don't work there (your use of the phrase "they" when referring to Amazon is a little weird) edit: You keep replying to this comment mentioning how you don't work there and don't have any ulterior motived, and then deleting it. Why? You do clearly work at Amazon based on your previous comments [1], which link to a GH profile that clearly says you work at Amazon. Whether you work specifically for AWS or not, it's still a conflict of interest for an Amazon employee to be posting recommendations for Amazon products and pretending not to be. It would be appropriate if you added a disclaimer to your original comment. edit: removing links to other user's profiles, etc

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dang 8y ago
You're crossing into harassing another user here, which is not cool. Bringing in someone's extraneous personal details or history as ammunition is particularly not allowed on HN. When people post a good, informative comment, it's important not to punish them for it. That trains the wrong behavior! Believe me, we're as sensitive to HN getting spammed/astroturfed as you are. But there's an obvious explanation for all the Amazon stories today, and it's nothing nefarious: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=by:dang%20big%20tech%20conference https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme.... We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18553686 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18553686 and marked it off-topic.
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eric_khun 8y ago

I'm in the early stage building https://nodablock.com/ https://nodablock.com/ that is pretty similar to Amazon Managed Blockchain. Excited to see them coming into that space!