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"California has empowered them in peculiar and powerful ways" Fun example of this is John Wayne airport in Orange County pilots do a special takooff involving

"California has empowered them in peculiar and powerful ways" Fun example of this is John Wayne airport in Orange County pilots do a special takooff involving cutting power to engines to reduce noise for Newport Beach neighborhood below dating back to a lawsuit from the 80s.

et2o 8y ago
This seems reasonable to me. If they can take off while reducing nose pollution, they should. I wonder if they do this at other airports located in of near cities such as LGA.
- mikeash 8y ago
  It's a pretty common thing. Here's a long survey and discussion of various noise abatement procedures that I haven't actually read through: https://www.icao.int/environmental-protection/Documents/ReviewNADRD.pdf https://www.icao.int/environmental-protection/Documents/Revi... I have some mildly related personal experience as well. The glider club I belong to started getting noise complaints from people living near the airport. On a busy day, our tow plane might make 25 takeoffs. We often took the same path every time, repeatedly annoying the same people. We started varying our routes and also replaced the propellor with a quieter one and everybody was happy.
  - mips_avatar 8y ago
    Glad you guys worked it out.
- lsmarigo 8y ago
  Seems unreasonable to me, who's to say which neighborhood deserves more or less noise pollution? Oh right, economic status and ability to file massive lawsuits. If that takeoff method was all around better they would just do it everywhere, Congress outlawed other airports from doing the same in 1990 "In 1990, Congress, fearing that many localities could eventually hamstring the growth of aviation by implementing their own patchwork of noise restrictions, passed the Airport Noise and Capacity Act which outlawed curfews at airports. John Wayne was grandfathered in, however, due to the original lawsuit being filed in 1985." https://www.avgeekery.com/whats-rollercoaster-takeoffs-orange-county/ https://www.avgeekery.com/whats-rollercoaster-takeoffs-orang...

et2o 8y ago

This seems reasonable to me. If they can take off while reducing nose pollution, they should. I wonder if they do this at other airports located in of near cities such as LGA.

mikeash 8y ago
It's a pretty common thing. Here's a long survey and discussion of various noise abatement procedures that I haven't actually read through: https://www.icao.int/environmental-protection/Documents/ReviewNADRD.pdf https://www.icao.int/environmental-protection/Documents/Revi... I have some mildly related personal experience as well. The glider club I belong to started getting noise complaints from people living near the airport. On a busy day, our tow plane might make 25 takeoffs. We often took the same path every time, repeatedly annoying the same people. We started varying our routes and also replaced the propellor with a quieter one and everybody was happy.
- mips_avatar 8y ago
  Glad you guys worked it out.
lsmarigo 8y ago
Seems unreasonable to me, who's to say which neighborhood deserves more or less noise pollution? Oh right, economic status and ability to file massive lawsuits. If that takeoff method was all around better they would just do it everywhere, Congress outlawed other airports from doing the same in 1990 "In 1990, Congress, fearing that many localities could eventually hamstring the growth of aviation by implementing their own patchwork of noise restrictions, passed the Airport Noise and Capacity Act which outlawed curfews at airports. John Wayne was grandfathered in, however, due to the original lawsuit being filed in 1985." https://www.avgeekery.com/whats-rollercoaster-takeoffs-orange-county/ https://www.avgeekery.com/whats-rollercoaster-takeoffs-orang...