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ahmedalsudani 8y ago
Huawei is selling telecommunications infrastructure. There's a big (and clear) difference between that and ecommerce sites.
nolok 8y ago
There is a very big difference between blocking the public (both consumers and business) from dealing with companies from someplace, and blocking companies from that place from getting access to critical infrastructure. Especially if said company is controlled by its government. Especially if said company has been caught using said kind of access to spy for its owner government before. Especially if said country has made a reputation of systematically stealing all the tech and spying any way it could on you to use it "against" you. Especially if said country is not part of the same geopolitical block as you. Especially if said government does the same thing to your own companies in the same field. Confusing regular commercial dealing and critical infrastructure deal and acting like they have the same security need or that one leads to another makes no sense to me, so your comment is, in my opinion, out of line.
- paraditedc 8y ago
  Maybe TikTok is a better example, given its ability to influence public opinions.
- mtw 8y ago
  I would love to see a page demonstrating specific vulnerabilities or data theft by Huawei. So far, in comments, it's always "oh they must be doing it", "Oh I've heard about them doing X and Y" or other similar unsubstantiated claims
  - aDfbrtVt 8y ago
    Their current long-haul optical portfolio exist because they stole the IP from Nortel (as in bugged the building and stole the source code).
  - prolikewh0a 8y ago
    There's one example, the Nortel IP theft. I'm surprised it wasn't the first comment like every story on Huawei. The world trusts devices that come out of USA even though there is hard evidence of the NSA physically rooting devices with their own malware, but wont trust Huawei. This is entirely trade propaganda at the behest of large cellular RF equipment manufacturers, and device manufacturers.
  - snowwindwaves 8y ago
    In addition to destroying Nortel and the pensions of everyone who spent their careers there Huawei set up the IT infrastructure of the African Union building built by China and were caught exfiltrating all of the data from the servers to china every night. https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/the-african-union-headquarters-hack-and-australias-5g-network/ https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/the-african-union-headquar...
pcdoodle 8y ago
Filling our landfills full of disposable products? Copying our IP? I love Aliexpress for some things, however we are subsidizing the shipping for most products on there with our tax dollars (This might change soon). $7 for me to ship a few states away, less that $1 for most Chinese products to US vis USPS. Even the Chinese don't trust most Chinese Products (Chinese Girlfriend).
- logicallee 8y ago
  Can you elaborate on this: >we are subsidizing the shipping for most products on there with our tax dollars (This might change soon). $7 for me to ship a few states away, less that $1 for most Chinese products to US vis USPS. Are you saying USPS operates its package service from China at a loss? (Or subsidized by its other services.) Do you know why they're doing that? If they are doing that, isn't it a viable strategy to do for a while even if USPS were private? Overall isn't USPS self-sufficient though so that rather than "tax dollars" you mean "postal fees"? >Even the Chinese don't trust most Chinese Products (Chinese Girlfriend). What is your parenthetical statement about, sorry I'm ignorant but I couldn't figure it out.
- neuhaus 8y ago
  Just like a lot of Americans don't trust American products
- kogepathic 8y ago
  > however we are subsidizing the shipping for most products on there with our tax dollars I want to point out that international postal rates are determined by the UPU [1] which has existed since the late 1800s. It is not only Americans who are subsidizing shipping from China, most postal services in developed countries are paying to subsidize postal rates in less developed countries through the UPU. The fact that this system can be abused isn't even a new debate, it was occurring well before Trump arrived [2]. One can argue whether the UPU has been too slow to reclassify China relative to their development. But I think at the time of the conception of the UPU, and for much of the 20th century, before electronic communications became cheap and ubiquitous, it did serve a useful purpose. I imagine the UPU helped make sending postal mail to people in developing countries within financial reach, and I would also think contributed toward the development of postal systems in some of these countries. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Postal_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Postal_Union [2] http://fortune.com/2015/03/11/united-nations-subsidy-chinese-shipping/ http://fortune.com/2015/03/11/united-nations-subsidy-chinese...

Huawei is selling telecommunications infrastructure. There's a big (and clear) difference between that and ecommerce sites.

nolok 8y ago

There is a very big difference between blocking the public (both consumers and business) from dealing with companies from someplace, and blocking companies from that place from getting access to critical infrastructure. Especially if said company is controlled by its government. Especially if said company has been caught using said kind of access to spy for its owner government before. Especially if said country has made a reputation of systematically stealing all the tech and spying any way it could on you to use it "against" you. Especially if said country is not part of the same geopolitical block as you. Especially if said government does the same thing to your own companies in the same field. Confusing regular commercial dealing and critical infrastructure deal and acting like they have the same security need or that one leads to another makes no sense to me, so your comment is, in my opinion, out of line.

paraditedc 8y ago
Maybe TikTok is a better example, given its ability to influence public opinions.
mtw 8y ago
I would love to see a page demonstrating specific vulnerabilities or data theft by Huawei. So far, in comments, it's always "oh they must be doing it", "Oh I've heard about them doing X and Y" or other similar unsubstantiated claims
- aDfbrtVt 8y ago
  Their current long-haul optical portfolio exist because they stole the IP from Nortel (as in bugged the building and stole the source code).
- prolikewh0a 8y ago
  There's one example, the Nortel IP theft. I'm surprised it wasn't the first comment like every story on Huawei. The world trusts devices that come out of USA even though there is hard evidence of the NSA physically rooting devices with their own malware, but wont trust Huawei. This is entirely trade propaganda at the behest of large cellular RF equipment manufacturers, and device manufacturers.
- snowwindwaves 8y ago
  In addition to destroying Nortel and the pensions of everyone who spent their careers there Huawei set up the IT infrastructure of the African Union building built by China and were caught exfiltrating all of the data from the servers to china every night. https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/the-african-union-headquarters-hack-and-australias-5g-network/ https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/the-african-union-headquar...

pcdoodle 8y ago

Filling our landfills full of disposable products? Copying our IP? I love Aliexpress for some things, however we are subsidizing the shipping for most products on there with our tax dollars (This might change soon). $7 for me to ship a few states away, less that $1 for most Chinese products to US vis USPS. Even the Chinese don't trust most Chinese Products (Chinese Girlfriend).

logicallee 8y ago
Can you elaborate on this: >we are subsidizing the shipping for most products on there with our tax dollars (This might change soon). $7 for me to ship a few states away, less that $1 for most Chinese products to US vis USPS. Are you saying USPS operates its package service from China at a loss? (Or subsidized by its other services.) Do you know why they're doing that? If they are doing that, isn't it a viable strategy to do for a while even if USPS were private? Overall isn't USPS self-sufficient though so that rather than "tax dollars" you mean "postal fees"? >Even the Chinese don't trust most Chinese Products (Chinese Girlfriend). What is your parenthetical statement about, sorry I'm ignorant but I couldn't figure it out.
neuhaus 8y ago
Just like a lot of Americans don't trust American products
kogepathic 8y ago
> however we are subsidizing the shipping for most products on there with our tax dollars I want to point out that international postal rates are determined by the UPU [1] which has existed since the late 1800s. It is not only Americans who are subsidizing shipping from China, most postal services in developed countries are paying to subsidize postal rates in less developed countries through the UPU. The fact that this system can be abused isn't even a new debate, it was occurring well before Trump arrived [2]. One can argue whether the UPU has been too slow to reclassify China relative to their development. But I think at the time of the conception of the UPU, and for much of the 20th century, before electronic communications became cheap and ubiquitous, it did serve a useful purpose. I imagine the UPU helped make sending postal mail to people in developing countries within financial reach, and I would also think contributed toward the development of postal systems in some of these countries. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Postal_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Postal_Union [2] http://fortune.com/2015/03/11/united-nations-subsidy-chinese-shipping/ http://fortune.com/2015/03/11/united-nations-subsidy-chinese...