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Would you call that house where you're from? I think most people in the UK would pretty quickly say the Göttsching and LCD Soundsystem tracks are techno, and th

by n4r9 8y ago

Would you call that house where you're from? I think most people in the UK would pretty quickly say the Göttsching and LCD Soundsystem tracks are techno, and the Phuture track in the article is straight up acid techno. House tends to be lighter, slightly slower and more euphoric, e.g. this I would call acid house: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFhxpMnfHB0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFhxpMnfHB0 I'm intrigued because I knew an American at uni who insisted that almost all electronic music counted as "techno".

new_here 8y ago
House originally started out with a faster tempo around 130 BMP which then slowed to 120 BPM over time. The acid sound has more to do with the squelched bass sound produced by the synths being discussed here. So your sample is acid house, just at a slower tempo which wasn't as common with the earlier samples.
- bascule 8y ago
  Most early house songs were ~120BPM. This includes: Frankie Knuckles - Your Love, Jesse Saunders - On and On, Mr. Fingers - Can You Feel It, Marshal Jefferson - Move Your Body (The House Music Anthem)
coldtea 8y ago
>I think most people in the UK would pretty quickly say the Göttsching and LCD Soundsystem tracks are techno Göttsching is indeed techno. >and the Phuture track in the article is straight up acid techno. In those days the term used for that style was "acid house". It then turned into various sub-genres (rave, trance, etc). Acid techno is a later name for later genre.
- spunker540 8y ago
  Does anyone else find the amount of sub-genres in electronic music excessive?
  - coldtea 8y ago
    Only those lame llama-steampunk-subjitter-dub-foxtrot fans...
  - n4r9 8y ago
    To some degree, but no more than, say, the number of lisp-based programming languages or flavours of linux =]. In my mind it's something to explore rather than balk at. If you find something amazing like you've never heard before, then looking at the genre can help you to discover more things like it.
  - steveklabnik 8y ago
    As someone who used to listen to a lot of metal: no.
  - lenocinor 8y ago
    I've often said the same thing. I think when there are too many, it's not useful (though in some very real sense, every artist is its own genre), but of course one genre is useless too. Some people say "why have any genres at all", but as someone who's tried to explore musical connections where I haven't been able to find established genre names -- like between old folk music from some smaller countries, or the continuum of music featuring accordions, horns (especially trumpet and clarinet), acoustic guitars/lutes, and strings that goes from Russia down to Turkey and beyond -- it can be really painful to find related music and artists without good genres. The trick is a good balance, and I personally find that electronic music and metal (as another poster mentioned) have genres that are often too small for my purposes.
  - drcongo 8y ago
    I know that quite a few of them were invented as a joke among music journalists over a Friday pint.
TheOtherHobbes 8y ago
Göttsching is krautrock - a terrible but accepted name for the pre-techno synthesizer scene that formed in Berlin in the late 60s and became popular in most of Europe (not so much Germany) in the 70s. The biggest names on the scene were Klaus Schulze and Tangerine Dream, Göttsching was in a peripheral band called Ashra Tempel but also played drums for Schulze. The less famous names on the scene - Roedelius, Cluster, Conny Schnitlzer - influenced Brian Eno's ambient music when he went over to Berlin to produce Low for Bowie. As for techno vs house - the big difference is the rhythm pattern. Techno is square and on the grid, house feels like it has some swing and the beat is "skippier" with offbeats, anticipations, and sometimes triplets.
- flavor8 8y ago
  > Techno is square and on the grid, house feels like it has some swing and the beat is "skippier" with offbeats, anticipations, and sometimes triplets E.g. Marshall Jefferson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAR8cq5Bl94 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAR8cq5Bl94 Jeff Mills: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFlzl2IhFx4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFlzl2IhFx4
- davedx 8y ago
  > the big difference is the rhythm pattern. Techno is square and on the grid, house feels like it has some swing and the beat is "skippier" with offbeats, anticipations, and sometimes triplets. I think I could easily find a dozen examples from both genres that don't match your description... :) BPM is the best indicator. Most house is slower, most techno is faster.
  - lbotos 8y ago
    > BPM is the best indicator. Most house is slower, most techno is faster. I'd also add that techno can be traditionally "darker" and "heavier" whereas house is usually a little more "sensual" and "groovy". As always, counterpoints can be found, but these are general orientations :)
  - neom 8y ago
    With tropical house being on the rise, I find it really blurry if it's techno or house with the more pop-y stuff these days, especially the funky/disco vibes coming out of the Paris scene right now.

by n4r9 8y ago

new_here 8y ago

House originally started out with a faster tempo around 130 BMP which then slowed to 120 BPM over time. The acid sound has more to do with the squelched bass sound produced by the synths being discussed here. So your sample is acid house, just at a slower tempo which wasn't as common with the earlier samples.

bascule 8y ago
Most early house songs were ~120BPM. This includes: Frankie Knuckles - Your Love, Jesse Saunders - On and On, Mr. Fingers - Can You Feel It, Marshal Jefferson - Move Your Body (The House Music Anthem)

coldtea 8y ago

>I think most people in the UK would pretty quickly say the Göttsching and LCD Soundsystem tracks are techno Göttsching is indeed techno. >and the Phuture track in the article is straight up acid techno. In those days the term used for that style was "acid house". It then turned into various sub-genres (rave, trance, etc). Acid techno is a later name for later genre.

spunker540 8y ago
Does anyone else find the amount of sub-genres in electronic music excessive?
- coldtea 8y ago
  Only those lame llama-steampunk-subjitter-dub-foxtrot fans...
- n4r9 8y ago
  To some degree, but no more than, say, the number of lisp-based programming languages or flavours of linux =]. In my mind it's something to explore rather than balk at. If you find something amazing like you've never heard before, then looking at the genre can help you to discover more things like it.
- steveklabnik 8y ago
  As someone who used to listen to a lot of metal: no.
- lenocinor 8y ago
  I've often said the same thing. I think when there are too many, it's not useful (though in some very real sense, every artist is its own genre), but of course one genre is useless too. Some people say "why have any genres at all", but as someone who's tried to explore musical connections where I haven't been able to find established genre names -- like between old folk music from some smaller countries, or the continuum of music featuring accordions, horns (especially trumpet and clarinet), acoustic guitars/lutes, and strings that goes from Russia down to Turkey and beyond -- it can be really painful to find related music and artists without good genres. The trick is a good balance, and I personally find that electronic music and metal (as another poster mentioned) have genres that are often too small for my purposes.
- drcongo 8y ago
  I know that quite a few of them were invented as a joke among music journalists over a Friday pint.

TheOtherHobbes 8y ago

Göttsching is krautrock - a terrible but accepted name for the pre-techno synthesizer scene that formed in Berlin in the late 60s and became popular in most of Europe (not so much Germany) in the 70s. The biggest names on the scene were Klaus Schulze and Tangerine Dream, Göttsching was in a peripheral band called Ashra Tempel but also played drums for Schulze. The less famous names on the scene - Roedelius, Cluster, Conny Schnitlzer - influenced Brian Eno's ambient music when he went over to Berlin to produce Low for Bowie. As for techno vs house - the big difference is the rhythm pattern. Techno is square and on the grid, house feels like it has some swing and the beat is "skippier" with offbeats, anticipations, and sometimes triplets.

flavor8 8y ago
> Techno is square and on the grid, house feels like it has some swing and the beat is "skippier" with offbeats, anticipations, and sometimes triplets E.g. Marshall Jefferson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAR8cq5Bl94 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAR8cq5Bl94 Jeff Mills: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFlzl2IhFx4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFlzl2IhFx4
davedx 8y ago
> the big difference is the rhythm pattern. Techno is square and on the grid, house feels like it has some swing and the beat is "skippier" with offbeats, anticipations, and sometimes triplets. I think I could easily find a dozen examples from both genres that don't match your description... :) BPM is the best indicator. Most house is slower, most techno is faster.
- lbotos 8y ago
  > BPM is the best indicator. Most house is slower, most techno is faster. I'd also add that techno can be traditionally "darker" and "heavier" whereas house is usually a little more "sensual" and "groovy". As always, counterpoints can be found, but these are general orientations :)
- neom 8y ago
  With tropical house being on the rise, I find it really blurry if it's techno or house with the more pop-y stuff these days, especially the funky/disco vibes coming out of the Paris scene right now.