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It's amazing that the iconic dance/trance clap (the clap after 1:15 in Acid Tracks) was forged alongside the 303. This exact sample (or an unbelievably similar

It's amazing that the iconic dance/trance clap (the clap after 1:15 in Acid Tracks) was forged alongside the 303. This exact sample (or an unbelievably similar one) could be heard throughout the late 90's and still features in many tracks today. It's the Wilhelm Scream of EDM. Acid eventually resulted in liquid trance, which eventually became psytrance. Liquid was a fantastic exploration of the nature of sound, with many types of dynamics for a single instrument. EDM receives as lot of criticism for its lack of humanity and skill (regarding playing an instrument), but the same could be said of Beethoven or Bach: they were merely creating scores for an orchestra to play. EDM can be the same type of approach, only we now have ways to explore sound that simply weren't available to the great composers.

ta7687 8y ago
My inner pedant compels me to point out that Beethoven and Bach were both virtuosos, though your point still stands.
- scns 8y ago
  I do not think you are being pedantic at all. I am trying to come up with kind words, but the line "they were merely creating scores" is absolutely ridiculous IMO.
dylan604 8y ago
We used sit around and joke about the type of music that Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, etc would do with studio equipment from today, but without letting them hear anything produced with them. Would they create similar compositions just with new voices? Seems logical as that's what they "knew". Or would the new eventually end up completely changing styles with the capabilities of the new instruments. Yes, we'd conveniently ignore the fact most of this gear benefits from computers/sequences, but just a synth and the different sound devices. Here's some keys, knobs, buttons and flashy lights. Go to it!
- eru 8y ago
  The Well-Tempered Clavier was a novelty in JS Bach's time. He did write new music just for it.
pgreenwood 8y ago
Yes I think would be the Roland 808 clap sound: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipMPb0MZr3w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipMPb0MZr3w
jezp 8y ago
This is not correct. Psytrance evolved from Goa/psychedelic trance.
emptyfile 8y ago
>Acid eventually resulted in liquid trance, which eventually became psytrance. No it didn't, psytrance came from goa trance for which the foundations were laid in the 80's before trance popper was a thing. And what is liquid trance? Never heard of it. But not to make this post just about whining, here's possibly the first trance track ever made, since we're talking about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT9pH9C7Oew https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT9pH9C7Oew I'm not from the 90's so I can only imagine how shocking this music must have been 23 years ago.
- stef25 8y ago
  It goes much further back than that. Psytrance came out of early german trance from labels such as Sven Vaeth's Eye-Q. Eye-Q 1991: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lApfaxi0QZw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lApfaxi0QZw Harthouse 1992: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d146LKl2ixU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d146LKl2ixU This was Goa in 1991: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fnBz6IOolk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fnBz6IOolk a very special period in time
- strainer 8y ago
  "What time is love" seems related, by the KLF in 1988. It sounds to me like the 303 might feature there as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT7lwdui4HY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT7lwdui4HY The KLF became more theatrical and were the biggest singles selling act in the world in 1991, then retired in 92, ceremonially burnt a million pounds and deleted their entire back catalog. This sort of techno-poetry track from Anne Clark in 1984, "Our Darkness" seems related to "What time is love". Although its surely not trance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rK7oT1mnf8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rK7oT1mnf8
- paganel 8y ago
  > I'm not from the 90's so I can only imagine how shocking this music must have been 23 years ago. I'm a kid of the late '80s and '90s and that wouldn't have been shocking for mainstream listeners back then. I'm especially thinking of Eurodance music which was pretty massive and popular in the early part of the '90s and which sounds very similar in some respects to the music in your YT link. It's also true that times were different back then, and for the better, just look at the MTV Top 10 of 1994 [1] and you can see bands like GreenDay, Sound Garden, Nirvana or Smashing Pumpkins. These type of bands wouldn't make the top 10 of popularity charts in this day and age (with the exception of GreenDay, probably). I mean, just look at this "Black Hole Sun" video [2] from Sound Garden which 13-year old me was watching during prime-time on MTV while doing my homework, this was seen as totally normal back then. Nowadays I'm afraid these type of music-videos and art-creation in general are out of prime-time media. The '90s were a lot more daring than today. [1] http://www.jjheath.com/MTV1994.html http://www.jjheath.com/MTV1994.html [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mbBbFH9fAg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mbBbFH9fAg
weavie 8y ago
Some early Goa was very influenced by acid.. Take Cosmosis for example : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGxgZh0SkNE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGxgZh0SkNE But sadly and much to my dismay the 303 didn't last long in the scene. It's really hard to find any acid lines in goa/psy tracks after about 1998 or so..
- jasey 8y ago
  There’s a tone of acid in the more main stream psy these days...I can’t really speak about goa however
  - weavie 8y ago
    Nice. Got any tracks you can mention? I'm a bit out of touch now..
    - jasey 8y ago
      Well its not as prevalent as I initially thought upon looking into my Spotify Psy-trance play list... I seems like I was thinking more about tech-trance. But never the less here is some examples I did find upon a quick look Ellez Ria - Overdrive (Original Mix) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8MoltyYRaM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8MoltyYRaM Acid lines are used pretty heavily throughout the track Liquid Soul & Vini Vici - Universe Inside Me https://youtu.be/yvBK1rSUzTc?t=226 https://youtu.be/yvBK1rSUzTc?t=226 A acid line slowly filters in at 3:44 Liquid Soul & Zyrus 7 aka Talla 2XLC - The Future (Liquid Soul Mix) https://youtu.be/9Wm4PJszzuo?t=313 https://youtu.be/9Wm4PJszzuo?t=313 Two Acid lines start to filter in at 5:13
      - weavie 8y ago
        Yeah, those are tunes!
kortex 8y ago
Speaking of Wilhelm Screams of music, the Amen break is nearly as ubiquitous as the 808 clap. It helped catalyze Hip-hop, while Rave, and then Jungle and dnb, were virtually born out of that loop as Athena was born from Zeus' skull. https://youtu.be/5SaFTm2bcac https://youtu.be/5SaFTm2bcac

ta7687 8y ago

My inner pedant compels me to point out that Beethoven and Bach were both virtuosos, though your point still stands.

scns 8y ago
I do not think you are being pedantic at all. I am trying to come up with kind words, but the line "they were merely creating scores" is absolutely ridiculous IMO.

dylan604 8y ago

We used sit around and joke about the type of music that Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, etc would do with studio equipment from today, but without letting them hear anything produced with them. Would they create similar compositions just with new voices? Seems logical as that's what they "knew". Or would the new eventually end up completely changing styles with the capabilities of the new instruments. Yes, we'd conveniently ignore the fact most of this gear benefits from computers/sequences, but just a synth and the different sound devices. Here's some keys, knobs, buttons and flashy lights. Go to it!

eru 8y ago
The Well-Tempered Clavier was a novelty in JS Bach's time. He did write new music just for it.

pgreenwood 8y ago

Yes I think would be the Roland 808 clap sound: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipMPb0MZr3w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipMPb0MZr3w

jezp 8y ago

This is not correct. Psytrance evolved from Goa/psychedelic trance.

emptyfile 8y ago

>Acid eventually resulted in liquid trance, which eventually became psytrance. No it didn't, psytrance came from goa trance for which the foundations were laid in the 80's before trance popper was a thing. And what is liquid trance? Never heard of it. But not to make this post just about whining, here's possibly the first trance track ever made, since we're talking about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT9pH9C7Oew https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT9pH9C7Oew I'm not from the 90's so I can only imagine how shocking this music must have been 23 years ago.

stef25 8y ago
It goes much further back than that. Psytrance came out of early german trance from labels such as Sven Vaeth's Eye-Q. Eye-Q 1991: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lApfaxi0QZw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lApfaxi0QZw Harthouse 1992: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d146LKl2ixU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d146LKl2ixU This was Goa in 1991: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fnBz6IOolk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fnBz6IOolk a very special period in time
strainer 8y ago
"What time is love" seems related, by the KLF in 1988. It sounds to me like the 303 might feature there as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT7lwdui4HY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT7lwdui4HY The KLF became more theatrical and were the biggest singles selling act in the world in 1991, then retired in 92, ceremonially burnt a million pounds and deleted their entire back catalog. This sort of techno-poetry track from Anne Clark in 1984, "Our Darkness" seems related to "What time is love". Although its surely not trance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rK7oT1mnf8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rK7oT1mnf8
paganel 8y ago
> I'm not from the 90's so I can only imagine how shocking this music must have been 23 years ago. I'm a kid of the late '80s and '90s and that wouldn't have been shocking for mainstream listeners back then. I'm especially thinking of Eurodance music which was pretty massive and popular in the early part of the '90s and which sounds very similar in some respects to the music in your YT link. It's also true that times were different back then, and for the better, just look at the MTV Top 10 of 1994 [1] and you can see bands like GreenDay, Sound Garden, Nirvana or Smashing Pumpkins. These type of bands wouldn't make the top 10 of popularity charts in this day and age (with the exception of GreenDay, probably). I mean, just look at this "Black Hole Sun" video [2] from Sound Garden which 13-year old me was watching during prime-time on MTV while doing my homework, this was seen as totally normal back then. Nowadays I'm afraid these type of music-videos and art-creation in general are out of prime-time media. The '90s were a lot more daring than today. [1] http://www.jjheath.com/MTV1994.html http://www.jjheath.com/MTV1994.html [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mbBbFH9fAg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mbBbFH9fAg

weavie 8y ago

Some early Goa was very influenced by acid.. Take Cosmosis for example : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGxgZh0SkNE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGxgZh0SkNE But sadly and much to my dismay the 303 didn't last long in the scene. It's really hard to find any acid lines in goa/psy tracks after about 1998 or so..

jasey 8y ago
There’s a tone of acid in the more main stream psy these days...I can’t really speak about goa however
- weavie 8y ago
  Nice. Got any tracks you can mention? I'm a bit out of touch now..
  - jasey 8y ago
    Well its not as prevalent as I initially thought upon looking into my Spotify Psy-trance play list... I seems like I was thinking more about tech-trance. But never the less here is some examples I did find upon a quick look Ellez Ria - Overdrive (Original Mix) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8MoltyYRaM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8MoltyYRaM Acid lines are used pretty heavily throughout the track Liquid Soul & Vini Vici - Universe Inside Me https://youtu.be/yvBK1rSUzTc?t=226 https://youtu.be/yvBK1rSUzTc?t=226 A acid line slowly filters in at 3:44 Liquid Soul & Zyrus 7 aka Talla 2XLC - The Future (Liquid Soul Mix) https://youtu.be/9Wm4PJszzuo?t=313 https://youtu.be/9Wm4PJszzuo?t=313 Two Acid lines start to filter in at 5:13
    - weavie 8y ago
      Yeah, those are tunes!

kortex 8y ago

Speaking of Wilhelm Screams of music, the Amen break is nearly as ubiquitous as the 808 clap. It helped catalyze Hip-hop, while Rave, and then Jungle and dnb, were virtually born out of that loop as Athena was born from Zeus' skull. https://youtu.be/5SaFTm2bcac https://youtu.be/5SaFTm2bcac