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Disagree I'm fine with- hashing things out together is how we all move forward. What concerns me is how quickly a full moral judgement appears to have been pas

Disagree I'm fine with- hashing things out together is how we all move forward. What concerns me is how quickly a full moral judgement appears to have been passed on what is a sticky, thorny issue.

nemo44x 8y ago
> What concerns me is how quickly a full moral judgement appears to have been passed on what is a sticky, thorny issue. I think this is quite valid. Especially from the progressive side I guess I'd say, there's a certain moral altruism that has no regard for other ideas or even the questioning of certain ideas and ideals. And to me, a lot of it is certainly a feeling of moral superiority that self legitimizes certain values from the authority of a middle and upper middle class socioeconomic position with complete disregard for the working and lower classes. The classes which served the progressive side so well until they became inconvenient. My points are only trying to find a balance such that we can still live in a world with merit; where we can compromise a bit by ensuring there is a measurable opportunity available but yet the outcome is up to the individual. To be frank, my dissenters here are people I probably agree with more from an idealist vantage. But I also understand that when working in a larger social system we need to be considerate of other points of view and to create systems that the reasonable people on "both sides" can live with. It's when we play to the unreasonable that extremism gains foothold.
- Baeocystin 8y ago
  I think your first paragraph in particular really nails one of the big problems of the modern left in the US. If you haven't, yet, I recommend reading I Can Tolerate Anything but the Outgroup: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/ http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything... It raises, I think, some very interesting points. Not so much in the way you may agree with it or not, but in terms of how to frame the problem itself.
  - nemo44x 8y ago
    Thanks for the link - well written and thoughtful and full of truth. And I agree with the conclusions quite a bit.

Disagree I'm fine with- hashing things out together is how we all move forward. What concerns me is how quickly a full moral judgement appears to have been passed on what is a sticky, thorny issue.

nemo44x 8y ago

> What concerns me is how quickly a full moral judgement appears to have been passed on what is a sticky, thorny issue. I think this is quite valid. Especially from the progressive side I guess I'd say, there's a certain moral altruism that has no regard for other ideas or even the questioning of certain ideas and ideals. And to me, a lot of it is certainly a feeling of moral superiority that self legitimizes certain values from the authority of a middle and upper middle class socioeconomic position with complete disregard for the working and lower classes. The classes which served the progressive side so well until they became inconvenient. My points are only trying to find a balance such that we can still live in a world with merit; where we can compromise a bit by ensuring there is a measurable opportunity available but yet the outcome is up to the individual. To be frank, my dissenters here are people I probably agree with more from an idealist vantage. But I also understand that when working in a larger social system we need to be considerate of other points of view and to create systems that the reasonable people on "both sides" can live with. It's when we play to the unreasonable that extremism gains foothold.

Baeocystin 8y ago
I think your first paragraph in particular really nails one of the big problems of the modern left in the US. If you haven't, yet, I recommend reading I Can Tolerate Anything but the Outgroup: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/ http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything... It raises, I think, some very interesting points. Not so much in the way you may agree with it or not, but in terms of how to frame the problem itself.
- nemo44x 8y ago
  Thanks for the link - well written and thoughtful and full of truth. And I agree with the conclusions quite a bit.