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> This is only an issue for the people who survived the bomb first hand. It's not like their grandkids are going to suffer radiation sickness. Huh? No, not rad

> This is only an issue for the people who survived the bomb first hand. It's not like their grandkids are going to suffer radiation sickness. Huh? No, not radiation sickness as such, but future generations being more prone to have cancer, being born with defects and such. This isn't that hard. Also, you reply reeks of thinking that I accept the premise that the U.S. seriously considered other options and ruled them out in the first place. It's pretty evident that they wanted to see if the bomb really works and even avoided bombing with conventional weapons, so they may use the nuclear option later. I know this doesn't sound good and doesn't fit into the simplistic narrative everyone wants to imagine, but that's not my problem.

dsfyu404ed 8y ago
>Also, you reply reeks of thinking that I accept the premise that the U.S. seriously considered other options and ruled them out in the first place. It This[1] sounds like "serious consideration" to me. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall
- AsyncAwait 8y ago
  I like how you think that I have this opinion because I am missing some fact, or whatever - I know about the invasion plans, I am talking about other options ie non-military ones. The Emperor basically wanted to still be Emperor after the war, which we ensured anyway, had we given such assurances prior, an invasion might not have been necessary at all. The Japanese were already discussing surrender. Opinion of somebody who was there: "[...] the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons... My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make wars in that fashion, and that wars cannot be won by destroying women and children. " And if you think that such use of nuclear weapons would be well considered, note that nukes were practically ready for Vietnam, because apparently Napalm wasn't enough. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/marjorie-cohn/us-nearly-used-nukes-duri_b_5482615.html https://www.huffingtonpost.com/marjorie-cohn/us-nearly-used-...

dsfyu404ed 8y ago

>Also, you reply reeks of thinking that I accept the premise that the U.S. seriously considered other options and ruled them out in the first place. It This[1] sounds like "serious consideration" to me. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall

AsyncAwait 8y ago
I like how you think that I have this opinion because I am missing some fact, or whatever - I know about the invasion plans, I am talking about other options ie non-military ones. The Emperor basically wanted to still be Emperor after the war, which we ensured anyway, had we given such assurances prior, an invasion might not have been necessary at all. The Japanese were already discussing surrender. Opinion of somebody who was there: "[...] the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons... My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make wars in that fashion, and that wars cannot be won by destroying women and children. " And if you think that such use of nuclear weapons would be well considered, note that nukes were practically ready for Vietnam, because apparently Napalm wasn't enough. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/marjorie-cohn/us-nearly-used-nukes-duri_b_5482615.html https://www.huffingtonpost.com/marjorie-cohn/us-nearly-used-...