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Do you equate the Chinese to nazis? Because that's insane and totally fear-mongering, especially if you think China is evil but other countries would use scient

Do you equate the Chinese to nazis? Because that's insane and totally fear-mongering, especially if you think China is evil but other countries would use scientific research for only rainbows and puppies.

eiaoa 8y ago
> Do you equate the Chinese to nazis? No, I emphatically do not. That's the most false and inflammatory misreading of my comment possible. The Chinese people are not villains, full stop. The point I was making is that political regimes matter when it comes to the desire for progress in science and technology, and the idea that it doesn't is naive. I'm glad the Nazis and the Soviets were technically and scientifically behind the Allies and the West, and I think the world would be better off they had stayed even further behind -- even if that meant that humanity as a whole has its scientific and technical progress retarded for the want of their contributions.
- yourbandsucks 8y ago
  Remember when Bush said Saddam aided "al Qaeda-like organizations"? People just heard al Qaeda.
cscurmudgeon 8y ago
Everything is not black and white. There is a spectrum and let us not pretend that China is close to most democratic countries on this scale.
- markdown 8y ago
  > let us not pretend that China is close to most democratic countries on this scale. Why not? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentatio...
  - cscurmudgeon 8y ago
    Read your own link and see how it disappears as time progresses. You can't say the same for China. https://qz.com/906142/a-chinese-medical-study-is-being-retracted-for-relying-on-organs-harvested-from-executed-prisoners/ https://qz.com/906142/a-chinese-medical-study-is-being-retra... They are conducting ethical cleansing right now.
koboll 8y ago
As bad as the US is in many different ways, China is immeasurably worse. A future dominated by a hegemonic China would be a dark world. Little steps like these are helping to contribute to that possibility in 50-100 years.
- hopfscotch 8y ago
  If current trends prevail, it's inevitable. When all else is equal, won't the largest countries dominate?
  - koboll 8y ago
    Great powers historically have not usually been the largest countries population-wise. That would seem to indicate that there's no reason we should expect the inevitability of all else becoming equal.

eiaoa 8y ago

> Do you equate the Chinese to nazis? No, I emphatically do not. That's the most false and inflammatory misreading of my comment possible. The Chinese people are not villains, full stop. The point I was making is that political regimes matter when it comes to the desire for progress in science and technology, and the idea that it doesn't is naive. I'm glad the Nazis and the Soviets were technically and scientifically behind the Allies and the West, and I think the world would be better off they had stayed even further behind -- even if that meant that humanity as a whole has its scientific and technical progress retarded for the want of their contributions.

yourbandsucks 8y ago
Remember when Bush said Saddam aided "al Qaeda-like organizations"? People just heard al Qaeda.

cscurmudgeon 8y ago

Everything is not black and white. There is a spectrum and let us not pretend that China is close to most democratic countries on this scale.

markdown 8y ago
> let us not pretend that China is close to most democratic countries on this scale. Why not? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentatio...
- cscurmudgeon 8y ago
  Read your own link and see how it disappears as time progresses. You can't say the same for China. https://qz.com/906142/a-chinese-medical-study-is-being-retracted-for-relying-on-organs-harvested-from-executed-prisoners/ https://qz.com/906142/a-chinese-medical-study-is-being-retra... They are conducting ethical cleansing right now.

koboll 8y ago

As bad as the US is in many different ways, China is immeasurably worse. A future dominated by a hegemonic China would be a dark world. Little steps like these are helping to contribute to that possibility in 50-100 years.

hopfscotch 8y ago
If current trends prevail, it's inevitable. When all else is equal, won't the largest countries dominate?
- koboll 8y ago
  Great powers historically have not usually been the largest countries population-wise. That would seem to indicate that there's no reason we should expect the inevitability of all else becoming equal.