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> I'm not sure diplomacy works when someone is actively shooting at you or other people. Most of the time, police aren't being shot at. And they tend to react

> I'm not sure diplomacy works when someone is actively shooting at you or other people. Most of the time, police aren't being shot at. And they tend to react to peaceful protest exactly as if it were a riot. This is well documented. Here's an example I was present for: Peaceful protest at the university. Cops in riot gear show up, fly around in helicopters, etc. One of the cops pushes/bumps a girl who then bounces into another cop, who slams her against the hood of cop car, arrests her, charges her with assault, and tries to get her expelled from the university. (The same department, six months later, gave us this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AdDLhPwpp4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AdDLhPwpp4 ) > I'm glad you're not the majority. Because the world would be pretty shitty if all the police responded to was physical assaults and above. If that's not the world you like, let's fix the police!

tomschlick 8y ago
> Most of the time Key phrase there. We expect our police to be equipped for any situation. So what happens when something like the North Hollywood shooting happens again and you have pinned cops/civilians? In that case officers had to commandeer actual money trucks and raid gun shops to get the equipment they needed to stop the shooters. > Here's an example I was present for If that's true then I'm all for punishments / legal action against officers that do wrong. > If that's not the world you like, let's fix the police! I'm all for police reform where evidence shows it can help.
- newname2018 8y ago
  It really depends on the exact location of the cops. As a younger person I personally witnessed local police use those vehicles in ways that were very much overkill. I've also personally winessed those same police officers lie " on the stand" in court to " make" thier case and the judge always buys it. Doesn't take a genius to understand that there is a huge problem with law enforcement in the US. Isn't this a thread about Google?
- int_19h 8y ago
  If they only used that stuff when called for, that would be nice. In practice, most of the time, all that gear is used to serve no-knock warrants on non-violent offenders (usually involving drugs). Maryland used to publish statistics for their use of SWAT teams; look that up, and note the breakdown on kinds of circumstances they were called in for, and whether it was no-knock or not. No-knock generally means busting doors and sometimes ramming walls (with those very MRAPs), throwing flashbangs etc.

tomschlick 8y ago

> Most of the time Key phrase there. We expect our police to be equipped for any situation. So what happens when something like the North Hollywood shooting happens again and you have pinned cops/civilians? In that case officers had to commandeer actual money trucks and raid gun shops to get the equipment they needed to stop the shooters. > Here's an example I was present for If that's true then I'm all for punishments / legal action against officers that do wrong. > If that's not the world you like, let's fix the police! I'm all for police reform where evidence shows it can help.

newname2018 8y ago
It really depends on the exact location of the cops. As a younger person I personally witnessed local police use those vehicles in ways that were very much overkill. I've also personally winessed those same police officers lie " on the stand" in court to " make" thier case and the judge always buys it. Doesn't take a genius to understand that there is a huge problem with law enforcement in the US. Isn't this a thread about Google?
int_19h 8y ago
If they only used that stuff when called for, that would be nice. In practice, most of the time, all that gear is used to serve no-knock warrants on non-violent offenders (usually involving drugs). Maryland used to publish statistics for their use of SWAT teams; look that up, and note the breakdown on kinds of circumstances they were called in for, and whether it was no-knock or not. No-knock generally means busting doors and sometimes ramming walls (with those very MRAPs), throwing flashbangs etc.