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The article's logic is a soup sandwich of two huge misunderstandings: First, "Theory of Mind" is something experienced at a high level directly. We do reason a
by Nevermark 8y ago
The article's logic is a soup sandwich of two huge misunderstandings:
First, "Theory of Mind" is something experienced at a high level directly. We do reason about our own and other's actions, (both successfully and unsuccessfully of course). We still have much to learn about how this works and is implemented, but I don't think it is controversial that each of us do develop theories about our own minds and others and use that along with other information.
Second, "Theory of Mind" does not mean "a scientific theory of the mind" it means that each of us develops internal theories of our own and other's minds. In one case "Theory" means something in our heads, in the other "theory" means a scientific body of knowledge.
This seems to have confused the author greatly.
So "Theory of Mind" has nothing to say about how neural circuits record information about locations in a maze and whether that recorded information can be considered "meaning" or not.
"Of course you could argue that what Nobel Prize winning research shows about rats is irrelevant to humans."
Wow! This really underlines that second confusion. Of course rat's brains can tell us something about <<theories of minds>>, but since we already know rat's don't model each other's internal actions with the detail we do, it would be problematic to view them as reliable sources for investigating the particular theory of human minds called "Theory of Mind".
Sigh.
- marmaduke 8y agoRats brains are used to study mechanisms presumed to be conserved by humans eg aspects of molecular biology. That doesn’t mean that rat social behavior couldn’t be used to model some aspect of human social behavior.
- Nevermark 8y agoNo doubt rat behavior is worth using to model a lot of human behavior and brain organization, but the article talks specifically about Theory of Mind which is something few animals show strong signs of. Some aspects of our species are different from most other animals, this seems to be one of them. Maybe dolphins or whales have comparable Theory of Mind capabilities?
- ex3xu 8y agoI might be wrong, but I think I've seen the term "theory of mind" used in the scientific context. For example, Kurzweil's "Pattern Recognition Theory of Mind" and Heylighen's "Anticipation Control Theory of Mind" Kurzweil: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Create_a_Mind#Pattern_Recognition_Theory_of_Mind https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Create_a_Mind#Pattern_R... Heylighen: http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/Papers/AnticipationControl.pdf http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/Papers/AnticipationControl.pdf Though I maybe should mention I generally agree with the use of "soup sandwich" as a description for the article.