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> And unlike China, it also violates my privacy as a European. I'm happy to agree that U.S. surveillance activities violate your privacy, but I'm not sure you
by schoen 8y ago
> And unlike China, it also violates my privacy as a European.
I'm happy to agree that U.S. surveillance activities violate your privacy, but I'm not sure you should say "unlike China" in this context.
- coldtea 8y agoWell, China doesn't get support for European governments, (unlike e.g. the US) to put their surveillance equipment in here, they weren't caught red handed spying on our top politicians (unlike the US), and while they could very well be targeting Chinese targets or people of interest, I'm 100% certain they don't mass track everyone in Europe.
- schoen 8y agoAll agreed up until the "100% certain they don't mass track everyone in Europe part"—what's the basis for that strong certainty? That they don't want to, they realize it would be wrong, they don't think it would be worth it, or just that they can't because the European governments aren't facilitating it or looking the other way when they do it? There are quite a few mass surveillance techniques that don't require support from a local government: * undersea cable tapping * hacking routers * hacking servers * bribing people * backdooring hardware * spy satellites * RF surveillance from embassies or shell companies Several of those seem pretty plausible for me for the PRC to be using against Europeans. :-(