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Where on earth did you get that from? Which part of the article, or any evidence at all, supports your statement? And in what situation do you think it's accept

Where on earth did you get that from? Which part of the article, or any evidence at all, supports your statement? And in what situation do you think it's acceptable to write in such a way?

joefranklinsrs 8y ago
How on earth do you not know to google? And in what situation do you think it's acceptable to keep asking people to post easily found links? 'Of course it's not ethical': shock at gene-edited baby claims. Chinese geneticist He Jiankui’s claim to have altered embryos prompts outcry from scientists https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/nov/27/he-jiankui-chinese-gene-edited-baby-claims-scientists-shocked-global-outcry https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/nov/27/he-jiankui-c... "China is putting Uighur children in 'orphanages' even if their parents are alive" https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-uighurs-human-rights-muslims-orphanages-xinjiang-province-reeducation-a8548341.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-uighurs-... "Inside China’s Dystopian Dreams: A.I., Shame and Lots of Cameras" https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/08/business/china-surveillance-technology.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/08/business/china-surveillan... "Time to Address China's Expanding Nuclear Weapons Program" https://www.armscontrol.org/blog/2018-08-22/time-address-chinas-expanding-nuclear-weapons-program https://www.armscontrol.org/blog/2018-08-22/time-address-chi... "Air pollution is killing 1 million people and costing Chinese economy 267 billion yuan a year" https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/2166542/air-pollution-killing-1-million-people-and-costing-chinese https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/2166542/air-... "True grit: clouds of Chinese dust descend on southern Japan" https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asia/article/2093573/true-grit-clouds-chinese-dust-descend-southern-japan https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asia/article/2093573/tru...
- amaccuish 8y ago
  How is this relevent to this article? Your specific claim was that scientists are being recruited from abroad for work on these things, except, they're not ("Except this time, China is hiring for genetic specialists to experiment on Uighur babies in concentration camps"). Trying to shove some other agenda into anything China-related is becoming really dull. You're trying to start some sort of ideological war when we really should be discussing science funding.
- coldtea 8y ago
  How on earth do you not know to google? And in what situation do you think it's acceptable to keep asking people to post easily found links? You can easily find stuff about western gene-editing research and plans, just not a 'me first' for babies: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/608350/first-human-embryos-edited-in-us/ https://www.technologyreview.com/s/608350/first-human-embryo... China's cameras? Well, the US is the surveillance champion of the world. Maybe search "snowden". And unlike China, it also violates my privacy as a European. >"Time to Address China's Expanding Nuclear Weapons Program" Actual action, not mere "program": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_a... And air-pollution? Do you know how US cities were back in the day? Or even today? And that's without being the world's top manufacturer... https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/08/10/southern-california-air-pollution-leads-to-thousands-of-avoidable-deaths-annually-study-says/ https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/08/10/southern-californ...
  - schoen 8y ago
    > And unlike China, it also violates my privacy as a European. I'm happy to agree that U.S. surveillance activities violate your privacy, but I'm not sure you should say "unlike China" in this context.
    - coldtea 8y ago
      Well, China doesn't get support for European governments, (unlike e.g. the US) to put their surveillance equipment in here, they weren't caught red handed spying on our top politicians (unlike the US), and while they could very well be targeting Chinese targets or people of interest, I'm 100% certain they don't mass track everyone in Europe.
      - schoen 8y ago
        All agreed up until the "100% certain they don't mass track everyone in Europe part"—what's the basis for that strong certainty? That they don't want to, they realize it would be wrong, they don't think it would be worth it, or just that they can't because the European governments aren't facilitating it or looking the other way when they do it? There are quite a few mass surveillance techniques that don't require support from a local government: * undersea cable tapping * hacking routers * hacking servers * bribing people * backdooring hardware * spy satellites * RF surveillance from embassies or shell companies Several of those seem pretty plausible for me for the PRC to be using against Europeans. :-(
- nyolfen 8y ago
  none of those links support your insane claim about genetic experimentation on babies
  - alabato 8y ago
    Indeed it is surely not true that they have camps where they do large scale genetic experimentations on babies... But from what we know they still at least did one such experiment. And this is completely insane and past any most basic ethics to do a non-consenting human experiment that moreover does not even aim to cure him but tries to find out how to build a stronger race.
- sctb 8y ago
  We've banned this account for abusing this community with an ideological agenda. > Please don't use Hacker News primarily for political or ideological battle. This destroys intellectual curiosity, so we ban accounts that do it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
PavlovsCat 8y ago
> And in what situation do you think it's acceptable to write in such a way? In what situation do you think it's acceptable to look the other way?

Where on earth did you get that from? Which part of the article, or any evidence at all, supports your statement? And in what situation do you think it's acceptable to write in such a way?

joefranklinsrs 8y ago

How on earth do you not know to google? And in what situation do you think it's acceptable to keep asking people to post easily found links? 'Of course it's not ethical': shock at gene-edited baby claims. Chinese geneticist He Jiankui’s claim to have altered embryos prompts outcry from scientists https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/nov/27/he-jiankui-chinese-gene-edited-baby-claims-scientists-shocked-global-outcry https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/nov/27/he-jiankui-c... "China is putting Uighur children in 'orphanages' even if their parents are alive" https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-uighurs-human-rights-muslims-orphanages-xinjiang-province-reeducation-a8548341.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-uighurs-... "Inside China’s Dystopian Dreams: A.I., Shame and Lots of Cameras" https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/08/business/china-surveillance-technology.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/08/business/china-surveillan... "Time to Address China's Expanding Nuclear Weapons Program" https://www.armscontrol.org/blog/2018-08-22/time-address-chinas-expanding-nuclear-weapons-program https://www.armscontrol.org/blog/2018-08-22/time-address-chi... "Air pollution is killing 1 million people and costing Chinese economy 267 billion yuan a year" https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/2166542/air-pollution-killing-1-million-people-and-costing-chinese https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/2166542/air-... "True grit: clouds of Chinese dust descend on southern Japan" https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asia/article/2093573/true-grit-clouds-chinese-dust-descend-southern-japan https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asia/article/2093573/tru...

amaccuish 8y ago
How is this relevent to this article? Your specific claim was that scientists are being recruited from abroad for work on these things, except, they're not ("Except this time, China is hiring for genetic specialists to experiment on Uighur babies in concentration camps"). Trying to shove some other agenda into anything China-related is becoming really dull. You're trying to start some sort of ideological war when we really should be discussing science funding.
coldtea 8y ago
How on earth do you not know to google? And in what situation do you think it's acceptable to keep asking people to post easily found links? You can easily find stuff about western gene-editing research and plans, just not a 'me first' for babies: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/608350/first-human-embryos-edited-in-us/ https://www.technologyreview.com/s/608350/first-human-embryo... China's cameras? Well, the US is the surveillance champion of the world. Maybe search "snowden". And unlike China, it also violates my privacy as a European. >"Time to Address China's Expanding Nuclear Weapons Program" Actual action, not mere "program": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_a... And air-pollution? Do you know how US cities were back in the day? Or even today? And that's without being the world's top manufacturer... https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/08/10/southern-california-air-pollution-leads-to-thousands-of-avoidable-deaths-annually-study-says/ https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/08/10/southern-californ...
- schoen 8y ago
  > And unlike China, it also violates my privacy as a European. I'm happy to agree that U.S. surveillance activities violate your privacy, but I'm not sure you should say "unlike China" in this context.
  - coldtea 8y ago
    Well, China doesn't get support for European governments, (unlike e.g. the US) to put their surveillance equipment in here, they weren't caught red handed spying on our top politicians (unlike the US), and while they could very well be targeting Chinese targets or people of interest, I'm 100% certain they don't mass track everyone in Europe.
    - schoen 8y ago
      All agreed up until the "100% certain they don't mass track everyone in Europe part"—what's the basis for that strong certainty? That they don't want to, they realize it would be wrong, they don't think it would be worth it, or just that they can't because the European governments aren't facilitating it or looking the other way when they do it? There are quite a few mass surveillance techniques that don't require support from a local government: * undersea cable tapping * hacking routers * hacking servers * bribing people * backdooring hardware * spy satellites * RF surveillance from embassies or shell companies Several of those seem pretty plausible for me for the PRC to be using against Europeans. :-(
nyolfen 8y ago
none of those links support your insane claim about genetic experimentation on babies
- alabato 8y ago
  Indeed it is surely not true that they have camps where they do large scale genetic experimentations on babies... But from what we know they still at least did one such experiment. And this is completely insane and past any most basic ethics to do a non-consenting human experiment that moreover does not even aim to cure him but tries to find out how to build a stronger race.
sctb 8y ago
We've banned this account for abusing this community with an ideological agenda. > Please don't use Hacker News primarily for political or ideological battle. This destroys intellectual curiosity, so we ban accounts that do it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

PavlovsCat 8y ago

> And in what situation do you think it's acceptable to write in such a way? In what situation do you think it's acceptable to look the other way?