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> Apparently answering an anonymous survey is either too much trouble for women to bother with Comments like this are what put people off. Trying to find out w

by uluyol 8y ago

> Apparently answering an anonymous survey is either too much trouble for women to bother with Comments like this are what put people off. Trying to find out why women or other minorities are not participating is constructive and useful, but not when you frame the problem as their fault.

kbenson 8y ago
I agree the GP comment was worded a little weirdly, but I'm not sure it actually is trying to frame the problem as their fault. Later portions, such as: > Why should companies be expected to hire women developers when it appears there are so few? The places with more than a few women developers also attract more, making it even more difficult for other companies to hire them. I am exasperated every time someone asserts that it isn't a pipeline problem. Based on these results there just aren't any out there at scale. Seem to indicate to me they view it more as the quoted industry numbers are wrong, at a minimum misleading (e.g. maybe female developers are much more likely to be relegated to junior positions or not have or feel they have the freedom to explore less mainstream solutions). In any case, it's an interesting question. Why are there major discrepancies between what is reported by the industry for gender involvement and by community driven efforts? Finally, I think it's worth noting that in a comment where the author felt the need to not only post it anonymously, but explain that they felt the need to do so, you picked out one sentence, chose a negative interpretation of it, and then called out the original comment for attibuting blame to women when the comment clearly ended with the sentiment "we need to make it easier for women to enter the industry." That doesn't exactly foster good discussion. :/
cantsaymyname 8y ago
If I do or not do something, I take responsibility for it. Women developers often suggest that women don't have time or inclination to participate in the community (1). If so fine, but don't count on there being a ton talented women Rust developers in the future if they aren't participating right now. (1) https://medium.com/@glitterwitch/stack-overflow-s-developer-survey-analysis-hurts-women-ec4d568e2352 https://medium.com/@glitterwitch/stack-overflow-s-developer-...

by uluyol 8y ago

kbenson 8y ago

I agree the GP comment was worded a little weirdly, but I'm not sure it actually is trying to frame the problem as their fault. Later portions, such as: > Why should companies be expected to hire women developers when it appears there are so few? The places with more than a few women developers also attract more, making it even more difficult for other companies to hire them. I am exasperated every time someone asserts that it isn't a pipeline problem. Based on these results there just aren't any out there at scale. Seem to indicate to me they view it more as the quoted industry numbers are wrong, at a minimum misleading (e.g. maybe female developers are much more likely to be relegated to junior positions or not have or feel they have the freedom to explore less mainstream solutions). In any case, it's an interesting question. Why are there major discrepancies between what is reported by the industry for gender involvement and by community driven efforts? Finally, I think it's worth noting that in a comment where the author felt the need to not only post it anonymously, but explain that they felt the need to do so, you picked out one sentence, chose a negative interpretation of it, and then called out the original comment for attibuting blame to women when the comment clearly ended with the sentiment "we need to make it easier for women to enter the industry." That doesn't exactly foster good discussion. :/

cantsaymyname 8y ago

If I do or not do something, I take responsibility for it. Women developers often suggest that women don't have time or inclination to participate in the community (1). If so fine, but don't count on there being a ton talented women Rust developers in the future if they aren't participating right now. (1) https://medium.com/@glitterwitch/stack-overflow-s-developer-survey-analysis-hurts-women-ec4d568e2352 https://medium.com/@glitterwitch/stack-overflow-s-developer-...