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I say it was great for PC, I can build a desktop with CPU from AMD or Intel, I can add if I want a GPU from AMD or NVIDIA, I have a lot of choices for motherboa

I say it was great for PC, I can build a desktop with CPU from AMD or Intel, I can add if I want a GPU from AMD or NVIDIA, I have a lot of choices for motherboards, power supply, harddrives,optical drives, sound cards or other components. Then I can run Windows,Linux, BSD, ReactOS , toy kernels or OSs . If I want I can create a hardware project ad I do not need to pay someone to let me connect it with my computer. Though DRM and IntelME is a major step backwards.

scarface74 8y ago
Most people are buying laptops and every time that Microsoft tries to bring anything new to market with their OS, the race to the bottom OEMs won’t have the hardwarecto support it. Can you imagine Windows PCs having the right integration between the OS and something like the T2 chip? Even worse is Android. Google releases a new OS and may see low double digit adoption after a year. OEMs have no incentive to push upgrades to their users. iOS’d ArKit can only work as well it does (not saying much bet still better than what Google could muster) because of tight integration between a known subset of hardware and software. This isn’t even to mention all of the bespoke custom interfaces on Android and all of the adware on consumer PCs and Android Phones.
- simion314 8y ago
  Microsoft and Google have or had created their own hardware like phones and laptops. Would you prefer we can buy laptops and phones only from MS, Google and Apple ? I see the Apple fanboys using the excuse that Apple can do any shit they want because there are alternatives, do they use same excuses if they have shit internet and the alternative is even shittier, "ah is ok , my shit taste better then the alternative shit, you do not like this brand of shit eat the other one, it is free market you can chose the shit flavor you want"
  - scarface74 8y ago
    I have no idea what you are getting at, but I can say both when it comes to phones and computers, the integrated offerings from Google is better than any other Android phone and being able to get an update for iOS the day it comes out instead of waiting for the carrier and OEM are much better experiences.
    - simion314 8y ago
      The question is In your opinion we should only have integrated "experiences"? aka should MS and Google pull an Apple and not sell the software to the customers , but sell you the hardware with the software included ?
  - dang 8y ago
    Please don't post any more flamewar comments to Hacker News. They're what we're trying to avoid here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

scarface74 8y ago

Most people are buying laptops and every time that Microsoft tries to bring anything new to market with their OS, the race to the bottom OEMs won’t have the hardwarecto support it. Can you imagine Windows PCs having the right integration between the OS and something like the T2 chip? Even worse is Android. Google releases a new OS and may see low double digit adoption after a year. OEMs have no incentive to push upgrades to their users. iOS’d ArKit can only work as well it does (not saying much bet still better than what Google could muster) because of tight integration between a known subset of hardware and software. This isn’t even to mention all of the bespoke custom interfaces on Android and all of the adware on consumer PCs and Android Phones.

simion314 8y ago
Microsoft and Google have or had created their own hardware like phones and laptops. Would you prefer we can buy laptops and phones only from MS, Google and Apple ? I see the Apple fanboys using the excuse that Apple can do any shit they want because there are alternatives, do they use same excuses if they have shit internet and the alternative is even shittier, "ah is ok , my shit taste better then the alternative shit, you do not like this brand of shit eat the other one, it is free market you can chose the shit flavor you want"
- scarface74 8y ago
  I have no idea what you are getting at, but I can say both when it comes to phones and computers, the integrated offerings from Google is better than any other Android phone and being able to get an update for iOS the day it comes out instead of waiting for the carrier and OEM are much better experiences.
  - simion314 8y ago
    The question is In your opinion we should only have integrated "experiences"? aka should MS and Google pull an Apple and not sell the software to the customers , but sell you the hardware with the software included ?
- dang 8y ago
  Please don't post any more flamewar comments to Hacker News. They're what we're trying to avoid here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html