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Stunning and brave... To support as "disobedience" something that every large corporation, every media organization, and a large swath of government supports.

PavlovsCat 8y ago
MeToo was started in 2006. If "everybody" supports that anyway, why was there even anything to start? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/20/us/me-too-movement-tarana-burke.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/20/us/me-too-movement-tarana... > In 1997, Tarana Burke sat across from a 13-year-old girl who had been sexually abused. The young girl was explaining her experience, and it left Ms. Burke speechless. Have female friends ever confided stories in you that left you speechless, helpless, and angry? And even that would normally just be the tip of an iceberg, not a full, detailed report of all the stuff that is going on... not even in their life, not to mention the world. The abuse that is going on is greater than our capacity to even face it. And it is hard for people to speak about this stuff, and while I agree that it might not be "as brave" to encourage others to speak out, I think it's absolutely fine to award her. She's not the kind of person who gives a shit about awards. She wants actual abuse to actually end, she wants actual wounds to actually heal -- nothing more, nothing less, fair enough, godspeed, you go girl, all the good things... not just for her, but for the people she represents, and who are acknowledged by this award as well. > Tarana Burke said she will not let her movement that she founded in 2006 and that has resulted in her getting death threats and having to challenge black leaders to support it, be co-opted by pretty girls and Hollywood. So everybody agrees -- except the abusers, the people who don't want to hear about abuse, and the people sending death threats of course :P https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/metoo-founder-tarana-burke-blasts-the-movement-for-ignoring-poor-women/ https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/metoo-founder-tarana-burke... > “We heard every manner of excuse ‘It’s really about white supremacy because our folks don’t have a history of that kind of thing back in Africa’ or ‘the real issue isn’t sexual violence, it’s false accusations against black men’ or my personal favorite ‘This is not a social justice issue; this is a social work issue.’ ” > She cited statistic after statistic about women who aren’t famous but attacked because of their gender identity or economic powerlessness. But the worst, she said, was the fate of indigenous and Native American women “the group we talk about the least,” she said. > She cited a Justice Department study that found that an estimated one in three Native American women will be assaulted in their lifetimes, that 92 percent of Native American girls reported having been forced to have sex against their will — and that nine of 10 Native American women and girls who survived rape or sexual assault were attacked by assailants of a different color, most of them white. > “That’s definitely a racial justice issue,” she said. “And, at the end of the day, it’s a human rights issue.” She seems to have the heart in the right spot, I'll say that much. Every "movement" can always attract anyone to do anything in its name, but I am absolutely down with what I read of that woman so far.
- deogeo 8y ago
  > a Justice Department study ... nine of 10 Native American women and girls who survived rape or sexual assault were attacked by assailants of a different color, most of them white. If anyone wants a source, this is probably referring to page 38, table 9 in https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/223691.pdf https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/223691.pdf, showing that 57% of sexual assaults against American Indians were committed by white offenders (who represent 77% of the US population). But I'm not certain I'm reading the table correctly, if anyone wants to double-check.
- patrickg_zill 8y ago
  If the Media Lab had awarded their award in say 2007, would you agree that would be different than awarding it today?
  - PavlovsCat 8y ago
    Do you agree that there was courage involved? You're not even acknowledging the death threats, nothing, you're shifting the goal posts as if I had written nothing at all. And you shift them into a complete own goal, too. From what I could find, that award only exists since 2017: https://www.media.mit.edu/galleries/2017-disobedience-award/ https://www.media.mit.edu/galleries/2017-disobedience-award/ It comes with a cash prize of $250k, and that would probably have been great to get earlier on. On the other hand, maybe they now had over 11 years of experience, and know a much better use for the money than they might have 11 years ago. I have no clue, but I don't see how this is anything but trying to see a problem where there is none.

PavlovsCat 8y ago

MeToo was started in 2006. If "everybody" supports that anyway, why was there even anything to start? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/20/us/me-too-movement-tarana-burke.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/20/us/me-too-movement-tarana... > In 1997, Tarana Burke sat across from a 13-year-old girl who had been sexually abused. The young girl was explaining her experience, and it left Ms. Burke speechless. Have female friends ever confided stories in you that left you speechless, helpless, and angry? And even that would normally just be the tip of an iceberg, not a full, detailed report of all the stuff that is going on... not even in their life, not to mention the world. The abuse that is going on is greater than our capacity to even face it. And it is hard for people to speak about this stuff, and while I agree that it might not be "as brave" to encourage others to speak out, I think it's absolutely fine to award her. She's not the kind of person who gives a shit about awards. She wants actual abuse to actually end, she wants actual wounds to actually heal -- nothing more, nothing less, fair enough, godspeed, you go girl, all the good things... not just for her, but for the people she represents, and who are acknowledged by this award as well. > Tarana Burke said she will not let her movement that she founded in 2006 and that has resulted in her getting death threats and having to challenge black leaders to support it, be co-opted by pretty girls and Hollywood. So everybody agrees -- except the abusers, the people who don't want to hear about abuse, and the people sending death threats of course :P https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/metoo-founder-tarana-burke-blasts-the-movement-for-ignoring-poor-women/ https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/metoo-founder-tarana-burke... > “We heard every manner of excuse ‘It’s really about white supremacy because our folks don’t have a history of that kind of thing back in Africa’ or ‘the real issue isn’t sexual violence, it’s false accusations against black men’ or my personal favorite ‘This is not a social justice issue; this is a social work issue.’ ” > She cited statistic after statistic about women who aren’t famous but attacked because of their gender identity or economic powerlessness. But the worst, she said, was the fate of indigenous and Native American women “the group we talk about the least,” she said. > She cited a Justice Department study that found that an estimated one in three Native American women will be assaulted in their lifetimes, that 92 percent of Native American girls reported having been forced to have sex against their will — and that nine of 10 Native American women and girls who survived rape or sexual assault were attacked by assailants of a different color, most of them white. > “That’s definitely a racial justice issue,” she said. “And, at the end of the day, it’s a human rights issue.” She seems to have the heart in the right spot, I'll say that much. Every "movement" can always attract anyone to do anything in its name, but I am absolutely down with what I read of that woman so far.

deogeo 8y ago
> a Justice Department study ... nine of 10 Native American women and girls who survived rape or sexual assault were attacked by assailants of a different color, most of them white. If anyone wants a source, this is probably referring to page 38, table 9 in https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/223691.pdf https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/223691.pdf, showing that 57% of sexual assaults against American Indians were committed by white offenders (who represent 77% of the US population). But I'm not certain I'm reading the table correctly, if anyone wants to double-check.
patrickg_zill 8y ago
If the Media Lab had awarded their award in say 2007, would you agree that would be different than awarding it today?
- PavlovsCat 8y ago
  Do you agree that there was courage involved? You're not even acknowledging the death threats, nothing, you're shifting the goal posts as if I had written nothing at all. And you shift them into a complete own goal, too. From what I could find, that award only exists since 2017: https://www.media.mit.edu/galleries/2017-disobedience-award/ https://www.media.mit.edu/galleries/2017-disobedience-award/ It comes with a cash prize of $250k, and that would probably have been great to get earlier on. On the other hand, maybe they now had over 11 years of experience, and know a much better use for the money than they might have 11 years ago. I have no clue, but I don't see how this is anything but trying to see a problem where there is none.