>Many developers don't care about the stuff we make computers do, but are passionate of the tools and implementation details of doing them This is a positive c

>Many developers don't care about the stuff we make computers do, but are passionate of the tools and implementation details of doing them This is a positive characteristic of a hacker. Very much desirable. Do note that I was specifically talking about proselytizing in a negative sense. One can love their tools and still not participate in dick measuring contest of which tool is better and actively belittle someone else who also loves their own tools. There can be a constructive discussion about programming languages (it does happen among the PL theorists and hackers), but in general PL theorists are a rare sight. In a general forum, sadly, many developers do judge a person with what programming language they use, disregarding what they have created. This goes against the foundation of hacker ethics.