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I don't know about android, but I can put virtualbox and a dev stack on windows and do all kinds of stuff. I have a broken terminal emulator on my iphone. So,

by dhimes 8y ago

I don't know about android, but I can put virtualbox and a dev stack on windows and do all kinds of stuff. I have a broken terminal emulator on my iphone. So, to your point, yeah. Edit: I'll add to this point. A couple of nights ago my son accidentally (? i dunno how) a crapload of text messages from his iphone. There's no "eco-friendly" way to get them back. This is a disasterous situation for a teenage boy who struggles socially. They are still on his phone, but he can't get to them because Apple won't let me get to them. There are some sketchy third-party apps that claim for a king's ransom to be able to do it (they showed him a preview then asked him to pay up- that's how he knows they were still there). But I can't get to it at all from linux. Apple deliberately blocks me from accessing my own file system. That's just mean.

scarface74 8y ago
Yes because it makes total sense for an app to be able to access another apps private storage. What could possibly go wrong.... If the messages are deleted and still accessible, that’s an even bigger problem. I would hope if I delete s message there would be no way for anyone to retrieve them.
- simion314 8y ago
  But what if Apple delete function does not really deletes things you would need to run a better deleting application like you can on other OSs to be sure a delete is unrecoverable. The point is about freedom to do what you want with your hardware, give the people a way to remove the restrictions, put a huge warning but let me do what I want with a physical object I own.
- dhimes 8y ago
  Gee, Mr. Sarcastic, aren't we now? "Delete" has always been separate from "purge" since the beginning of PCs.
saagarjha 8y ago
> They are still on his phone, but he can't get to them because Apple won't let me get to them. What makes you think this is true? iOS clears up space on your disk when you delete messages, so presumably it’s actually clearing them out?
- dhimes 8y ago
  As I mentioned, but didn't explain: There is online software that you can download to your computer to "rescue" them. Apparently it accesses the file system to get them. He said he knew it had them because the software showed him some of the messages and demanded a fee to restore them. He recognized them. Mostly, clearing space simply amounts to setting a flag that space is available and it doesn't actually clear stuff. That's what 'shredders' do (as well as overwrite, etc.).

by dhimes 8y ago

scarface74 8y ago

Yes because it makes total sense for an app to be able to access another apps private storage. What could possibly go wrong.... If the messages are deleted and still accessible, that’s an even bigger problem. I would hope if I delete s message there would be no way for anyone to retrieve them.

simion314 8y ago
But what if Apple delete function does not really deletes things you would need to run a better deleting application like you can on other OSs to be sure a delete is unrecoverable. The point is about freedom to do what you want with your hardware, give the people a way to remove the restrictions, put a huge warning but let me do what I want with a physical object I own.
dhimes 8y ago
Gee, Mr. Sarcastic, aren't we now? "Delete" has always been separate from "purge" since the beginning of PCs.

saagarjha 8y ago

> They are still on his phone, but he can't get to them because Apple won't let me get to them. What makes you think this is true? iOS clears up space on your disk when you delete messages, so presumably it’s actually clearing them out?

dhimes 8y ago
As I mentioned, but didn't explain: There is online software that you can download to your computer to "rescue" them. Apparently it accesses the file system to get them. He said he knew it had them because the software showed him some of the messages and demanded a fee to restore them. He recognized them. Mostly, clearing space simply amounts to setting a flag that space is available and it doesn't actually clear stuff. That's what 'shredders' do (as well as overwrite, etc.).