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Hi, author here! As you know software is eating the world. It's a huge market. But only a "few" millions of people can program and the other billions of people

Hi, author here! As you know software is eating the world. It's a huge market. But only a "few" millions of people can program and the other billions of people are just consumers. With this project, I try to change it. In other words: "IDE as an appliance". ChangeOver is closer to Office software than average IDE. Please keep in mind it's an alpha version(2nd release), so use-cases are limited. Next build will have drawing functions(graphs, etc.) and better multimedia support. I'm trying to offer whole platform experience, where IDE, Rendering, GUI, File-system, Network, Database and Interpreter work together as a one piece of software. Please try it and If you like it or even If you don't like it, please send your feedback and feel free to ask questions. -Milan

keyle 8y ago
One thing that's going to attract non-programmer to this idea is good user experience. I'd suggest you team up with a UX designer because at the moment it's looking a little like programmer art, and you're trying to appeal to non-programmers :) It's always good to see someone give a crack to such a hard problem!
- milansuk 8y ago
  Thanks, you're absolutely right! I released the first version 5 weeks ago and It's improving(drag&drop, context menu, multi-select table, etc.)[0][1]. Right now I do everything by myself and it's not easy to jump from compiler to gui, back to the database and so on. [0] https://milansuk.github.io/ChangeOver/screenshots_build_1/high_5.png https://milansuk.github.io/ChangeOver/screenshots_build_1/hi... [1] https://milansuk.github.io/ChangeOver/screenshots/high_5.png https://milansuk.github.io/ChangeOver/screenshots/high_5.png
pan69 8y ago
Many many years ago I had a small web development business making websites for clients. These clients were typical small to medium sized business. Most of the websites we produced were made with WordPress, because, all our clients wanted to update their own website. However, out of the many clients we had built websites for over the years, only one client actually managed to update their own website by themselves. The others just called us whenever they wanted to update their website and just paid us to do it for them. This was because updating websites was easy for "us" since we did it day in and day out, we had "context" and we "understood" how it worked whereas for our clients, regardless of all they easy buttons they could click, it was still to difficult to operate. I admire the work you have put in and you've created a great project. But point and click programming will make it easier for "programmers", not for everyone else to write software.
- milansuk 8y ago
  The current version of ChangeOver is like an assembler! I had to go through this painful process to build "base" version. I understand you. What you're seeing right now is just point&click GUI, relational database and point&click programming with REPL. Nothing new. But there will be a lot more. Today's IDEs can finish the words(sometimes lines) for you. ChangeOver will finish your algorithms. Try imagine two cloud apps side by side and you just connect them without using APIs or some 3rd party services like Zapier. And more. I believe that everyone wants to make their ideas real. And sure, there will be always incidental complexity and people will suffer a little bit. Today's platforms don't really have IDEs, they just tell you: give us file with javascript/python/etc.. Web, Mobile and Desktop apps are mostly fixed for end-user. That's why I really like PowerPoint for it's all in one(run/browse presentation, but also create/edit). Of course, presentations have limited use-cases. What we need is a new "standard". People don't put Excel on their CVs anymore, because everyone knows it. When you have a problem with a spreadsheet you don't call MS technical support or outsource it like a web development, but you solve it inside the company. Web or WordPress are probably still too complicated.
app4soft 8y ago
Where source code hosted? How should I launch app on Linux if I don't know what is inside it?
- milansuk 8y ago
  Right now it's not open-source, but It will be. I did a lot of R&D and because of that, the code needs refactoring and organizing. There are many programs for sandboxing for eg. Firejail[0]. sudo apt-get install firejail firejail ./ChangeOver-Linux-2 [0]https://firejail.wordpress.com/ https://firejail.wordpress.com/
  - app4soft 8y ago
    No, thanks. I'll be wait until sources would be published.

keyle 8y ago

One thing that's going to attract non-programmer to this idea is good user experience. I'd suggest you team up with a UX designer because at the moment it's looking a little like programmer art, and you're trying to appeal to non-programmers :) It's always good to see someone give a crack to such a hard problem!

milansuk 8y ago
Thanks, you're absolutely right! I released the first version 5 weeks ago and It's improving(drag&drop, context menu, multi-select table, etc.)[0][1]. Right now I do everything by myself and it's not easy to jump from compiler to gui, back to the database and so on. [0] https://milansuk.github.io/ChangeOver/screenshots_build_1/high_5.png https://milansuk.github.io/ChangeOver/screenshots_build_1/hi... [1] https://milansuk.github.io/ChangeOver/screenshots/high_5.png https://milansuk.github.io/ChangeOver/screenshots/high_5.png

pan69 8y ago

Many many years ago I had a small web development business making websites for clients. These clients were typical small to medium sized business. Most of the websites we produced were made with WordPress, because, all our clients wanted to update their own website. However, out of the many clients we had built websites for over the years, only one client actually managed to update their own website by themselves. The others just called us whenever they wanted to update their website and just paid us to do it for them. This was because updating websites was easy for "us" since we did it day in and day out, we had "context" and we "understood" how it worked whereas for our clients, regardless of all they easy buttons they could click, it was still to difficult to operate. I admire the work you have put in and you've created a great project. But point and click programming will make it easier for "programmers", not for everyone else to write software.

milansuk 8y ago
The current version of ChangeOver is like an assembler! I had to go through this painful process to build "base" version. I understand you. What you're seeing right now is just point&click GUI, relational database and point&click programming with REPL. Nothing new. But there will be a lot more. Today's IDEs can finish the words(sometimes lines) for you. ChangeOver will finish your algorithms. Try imagine two cloud apps side by side and you just connect them without using APIs or some 3rd party services like Zapier. And more. I believe that everyone wants to make their ideas real. And sure, there will be always incidental complexity and people will suffer a little bit. Today's platforms don't really have IDEs, they just tell you: give us file with javascript/python/etc.. Web, Mobile and Desktop apps are mostly fixed for end-user. That's why I really like PowerPoint for it's all in one(run/browse presentation, but also create/edit). Of course, presentations have limited use-cases. What we need is a new "standard". People don't put Excel on their CVs anymore, because everyone knows it. When you have a problem with a spreadsheet you don't call MS technical support or outsource it like a web development, but you solve it inside the company. Web or WordPress are probably still too complicated.

app4soft 8y ago

Where source code hosted? How should I launch app on Linux if I don't know what is inside it?

milansuk 8y ago
Right now it's not open-source, but It will be. I did a lot of R&D and because of that, the code needs refactoring and organizing. There are many programs for sandboxing for eg. Firejail[0]. sudo apt-get install firejail firejail ./ChangeOver-Linux-2 [0]https://firejail.wordpress.com/ https://firejail.wordpress.com/
- app4soft 8y ago
  No, thanks. I'll be wait until sources would be published.