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My belief is even more draconian: I believe you shouldn't be able to cross "industries" like that. If you are hardware, you don't do software, and vice-versa.

by dhimes 8y ago

My belief is even more draconian: I believe you shouldn't be able to cross "industries" like that. If you are hardware, you don't do software, and vice-versa. If you deliver content (cable companies) then you don't make content. It's like we're now back to the Andrew Carnegie days.

scarface74 8y ago
Right because having hardware and software separate has done amazing things for the usability of Android devices and Windows PCs....
- dhimes 8y ago
  I don't know about android, but I can put virtualbox and a dev stack on windows and do all kinds of stuff. I have a broken terminal emulator on my iphone. So, to your point, yeah. Edit: I'll add to this point. A couple of nights ago my son accidentally (? i dunno how) a crapload of text messages from his iphone. There's no "eco-friendly" way to get them back. This is a disasterous situation for a teenage boy who struggles socially. They are still on his phone, but he can't get to them because Apple won't let me get to them. There are some sketchy third-party apps that claim for a king's ransom to be able to do it (they showed him a preview then asked him to pay up- that's how he knows they were still there). But I can't get to it at all from linux. Apple deliberately blocks me from accessing my own file system. That's just mean.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    Yes because it makes total sense for an app to be able to access another apps private storage. What could possibly go wrong.... If the messages are deleted and still accessible, that’s an even bigger problem. I would hope if I delete s message there would be no way for anyone to retrieve them.
    - simion314 8y ago
      But what if Apple delete function does not really deletes things you would need to run a better deleting application like you can on other OSs to be sure a delete is unrecoverable. The point is about freedom to do what you want with your hardware, give the people a way to remove the restrictions, put a huge warning but let me do what I want with a physical object I own.
    - dhimes 8y ago
      Gee, Mr. Sarcastic, aren't we now? "Delete" has always been separate from "purge" since the beginning of PCs.
  - saagarjha 8y ago
    > They are still on his phone, but he can't get to them because Apple won't let me get to them. What makes you think this is true? iOS clears up space on your disk when you delete messages, so presumably it’s actually clearing them out?
    - dhimes 8y ago
      As I mentioned, but didn't explain: There is online software that you can download to your computer to "rescue" them. Apparently it accesses the file system to get them. He said he knew it had them because the software showed him some of the messages and demanded a fee to restore them. He recognized them. Mostly, clearing space simply amounts to setting a flag that space is available and it doesn't actually clear stuff. That's what 'shredders' do (as well as overwrite, etc.).
- simion314 8y ago
  I say it was great for PC, I can build a desktop with CPU from AMD or Intel, I can add if I want a GPU from AMD or NVIDIA, I have a lot of choices for motherboards, power supply, harddrives,optical drives, sound cards or other components. Then I can run Windows,Linux, BSD, ReactOS , toy kernels or OSs . If I want I can create a hardware project ad I do not need to pay someone to let me connect it with my computer. Though DRM and IntelME is a major step backwards.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    Most people are buying laptops and every time that Microsoft tries to bring anything new to market with their OS, the race to the bottom OEMs won’t have the hardwarecto support it. Can you imagine Windows PCs having the right integration between the OS and something like the T2 chip? Even worse is Android. Google releases a new OS and may see low double digit adoption after a year. OEMs have no incentive to push upgrades to their users. iOS’d ArKit can only work as well it does (not saying much bet still better than what Google could muster) because of tight integration between a known subset of hardware and software. This isn’t even to mention all of the bespoke custom interfaces on Android and all of the adware on consumer PCs and Android Phones.
    - simion314 8y ago
      Microsoft and Google have or had created their own hardware like phones and laptops. Would you prefer we can buy laptops and phones only from MS, Google and Apple ? I see the Apple fanboys using the excuse that Apple can do any shit they want because there are alternatives, do they use same excuses if they have shit internet and the alternative is even shittier, "ah is ok , my shit taste better then the alternative shit, you do not like this brand of shit eat the other one, it is free market you can chose the shit flavor you want"
      - scarface74 8y ago
        I have no idea what you are getting at, but I can say both when it comes to phones and computers, the integrated offerings from Google is better than any other Android phone and being able to get an update for iOS the day it comes out instead of waiting for the carrier and OEM are much better experiences.

by dhimes 8y ago

scarface74 8y ago

Right because having hardware and software separate has done amazing things for the usability of Android devices and Windows PCs....

dhimes 8y ago
I don't know about android, but I can put virtualbox and a dev stack on windows and do all kinds of stuff. I have a broken terminal emulator on my iphone. So, to your point, yeah. Edit: I'll add to this point. A couple of nights ago my son accidentally (? i dunno how) a crapload of text messages from his iphone. There's no "eco-friendly" way to get them back. This is a disasterous situation for a teenage boy who struggles socially. They are still on his phone, but he can't get to them because Apple won't let me get to them. There are some sketchy third-party apps that claim for a king's ransom to be able to do it (they showed him a preview then asked him to pay up- that's how he knows they were still there). But I can't get to it at all from linux. Apple deliberately blocks me from accessing my own file system. That's just mean.
- scarface74 8y ago
  Yes because it makes total sense for an app to be able to access another apps private storage. What could possibly go wrong.... If the messages are deleted and still accessible, that’s an even bigger problem. I would hope if I delete s message there would be no way for anyone to retrieve them.
  - simion314 8y ago
    But what if Apple delete function does not really deletes things you would need to run a better deleting application like you can on other OSs to be sure a delete is unrecoverable. The point is about freedom to do what you want with your hardware, give the people a way to remove the restrictions, put a huge warning but let me do what I want with a physical object I own.
  - dhimes 8y ago
    Gee, Mr. Sarcastic, aren't we now? "Delete" has always been separate from "purge" since the beginning of PCs.
- saagarjha 8y ago
  > They are still on his phone, but he can't get to them because Apple won't let me get to them. What makes you think this is true? iOS clears up space on your disk when you delete messages, so presumably it’s actually clearing them out?
  - dhimes 8y ago
    As I mentioned, but didn't explain: There is online software that you can download to your computer to "rescue" them. Apparently it accesses the file system to get them. He said he knew it had them because the software showed him some of the messages and demanded a fee to restore them. He recognized them. Mostly, clearing space simply amounts to setting a flag that space is available and it doesn't actually clear stuff. That's what 'shredders' do (as well as overwrite, etc.).
simion314 8y ago
I say it was great for PC, I can build a desktop with CPU from AMD or Intel, I can add if I want a GPU from AMD or NVIDIA, I have a lot of choices for motherboards, power supply, harddrives,optical drives, sound cards or other components. Then I can run Windows,Linux, BSD, ReactOS , toy kernels or OSs . If I want I can create a hardware project ad I do not need to pay someone to let me connect it with my computer. Though DRM and IntelME is a major step backwards.
- scarface74 8y ago
  Most people are buying laptops and every time that Microsoft tries to bring anything new to market with their OS, the race to the bottom OEMs won’t have the hardwarecto support it. Can you imagine Windows PCs having the right integration between the OS and something like the T2 chip? Even worse is Android. Google releases a new OS and may see low double digit adoption after a year. OEMs have no incentive to push upgrades to their users. iOS’d ArKit can only work as well it does (not saying much bet still better than what Google could muster) because of tight integration between a known subset of hardware and software. This isn’t even to mention all of the bespoke custom interfaces on Android and all of the adware on consumer PCs and Android Phones.
  - simion314 8y ago
    Microsoft and Google have or had created their own hardware like phones and laptops. Would you prefer we can buy laptops and phones only from MS, Google and Apple ? I see the Apple fanboys using the excuse that Apple can do any shit they want because there are alternatives, do they use same excuses if they have shit internet and the alternative is even shittier, "ah is ok , my shit taste better then the alternative shit, you do not like this brand of shit eat the other one, it is free market you can chose the shit flavor you want"
    - scarface74 8y ago
      I have no idea what you are getting at, but I can say both when it comes to phones and computers, the integrated offerings from Google is better than any other Android phone and being able to get an update for iOS the day it comes out instead of waiting for the carrier and OEM are much better experiences.