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Using that piece of rather silly putin's propaganda as a source lowers your credibility greatly.

by Fins 8y ago

orbital-decay 8y ago
However, their point stands true: in exUSSR climate, registering a dummy entity through an ignorant proxy is an easy and common way to run a shady business, and sometimes even a legit one. It's entirely unnecessary to bring Magnitsky's deal as an example, but this method is well known and practiced since perestroika. It's safe to assume the person in question was a proxy, and that further investigation is needed.
- Fins 8y ago
  Oh, that's for sure, it's just that pointing at this particular hit piece is not the most convincing argument. Otherwise, it's entirely correct that business climate in Russia is far from transparent.
scottlocklin 8y ago
Ahem. The maker of that documentary is anti-Putin to the extent he supports the theory that Putin blew up some Russian apartment buildings to start a war. Browder, on the other hand, is actively surpressing the documentary; even if none of the things said about him in the documentary are true (in which case you'd think he would sue the guy who made it for libel; a guy who lives in the UK), that's pretty shady.
- gandhium 8y ago
  That filmmaker was anti-Putin and he still lives in Russia? Totally believable.
  - rjplatte 8y ago
    That's not uncommon. Only very high-profile Putin opposers disappear.
    - Fins 8y ago
      Or we do not hear about low-profile ones. Being high profile (Navalny, Khodorkovsky) might be even an insurance policy to keep one at least alive.
    - gspetr 8y ago
      Sadly, this isn't true. You can use google translate to read this: https://www.novayagazeta.ru/articles/2018/10/22/78289-povar-lyubit-poostree https://www.novayagazeta.ru/articles/2018/10/22/78289-povar-... TL;DR version: Small time regional bloggers disappear and the "executioners" are then erased themselves. This is one of the very few newspapers left in Russia which does this kind of investigative journalism, they get death threats regularly. EDIT: Spelling.
  - equalunique 8y ago
    Pussy Riot is anti-Putin and they are still based in Russia. Same can be said about everyone in Russia who voted against Putin in the most recent election. You don't have to live outside of Russia to be anti-Putin.
    - gandhium 8y ago
      You can call them anti-Trump as well. And they have to serve jail time in Russia, btw.
  - scottlocklin 8y ago
    He lives in the UK, as I already said. And somehow avoided being sued by Browder who also lives in the UK.
- ender89 8y ago
  fighting it gives it attention and validity, its the streisand effect. And Julian Assange lives in the UK but was still a tool of the kremlin's propaganda wing. what's your point?
  - scottlocklin 8y ago
    This isn't even an argument; it is partisan quackery. FWIIW Browder was pro-Putin until Putin stopped letting him get away with tax fraud. Citations available: what do you have?
    - Fins 8y ago
      That's... an interesting interpretation of Magnitsky's murder. (regardless of whether Browder himself was involved in any shady dealings). They, and supporting citations, also come from only one source, too.
      - scottlocklin 8y ago
        We're talking about Assange here; why are you changing the subject? And, I do not get my Browder citations from "one source." I can cite you a bloody youtube video of him talking about what a great guy Putin is. This still has nothing to do with some poor bastard getting doxxed by a clown who thinks he is Sherlock Holmes.
        Fins 8y ago
        No argument on the doxxing side, but I wasn't talking about Assange. We were talking about the "behind the scenes" movie, and the maker of the film might have been a Putin critic at some point, but is no more than a clown now. His Twitter feed is quite delicious, complete with claims that Russian press is freer than Western, and with adoring comments from people with English-sounding names, but written in such a stilted and obviously translated word for word from Russian language that one could do another HN post how Twitter's claim to have banned Russian bots is nothing but self-serving bunk.
- Fins 8y ago
  His anti-putin credentials have been questioned.

Using that piece of rather silly putin's propaganda as a source lowers your credibility greatly.

by Fins 8y ago

Using that piece of rather silly putin's propaganda as a source lowers your credibility greatly.

However, their point stands true: in exUSSR climate, registering a dummy entity through an ignorant proxy is an easy and common way to run a shady business, and sometimes even a legit one. It's entirely unnecessary to bring Magnitsky's deal as an example, but this method is well known and practiced since perestroika. It's safe to assume the person in question was a proxy, and that further investigation is needed.

Fins 8y ago
Oh, that's for sure, it's just that pointing at this particular hit piece is not the most convincing argument. Otherwise, it's entirely correct that business climate in Russia is far from transparent.

scottlocklin 8y ago

Ahem. The maker of that documentary is anti-Putin to the extent he supports the theory that Putin blew up some Russian apartment buildings to start a war. Browder, on the other hand, is actively surpressing the documentary; even if none of the things said about him in the documentary are true (in which case you'd think he would sue the guy who made it for libel; a guy who lives in the UK), that's pretty shady.

gandhium 8y ago
That filmmaker was anti-Putin and he still lives in Russia? Totally believable.
- rjplatte 8y ago
  That's not uncommon. Only very high-profile Putin opposers disappear.
  - Fins 8y ago
    Or we do not hear about low-profile ones. Being high profile (Navalny, Khodorkovsky) might be even an insurance policy to keep one at least alive.
  - gspetr 8y ago
    Sadly, this isn't true. You can use google translate to read this: https://www.novayagazeta.ru/articles/2018/10/22/78289-povar-lyubit-poostree https://www.novayagazeta.ru/articles/2018/10/22/78289-povar-... TL;DR version: Small time regional bloggers disappear and the "executioners" are then erased themselves. This is one of the very few newspapers left in Russia which does this kind of investigative journalism, they get death threats regularly. EDIT: Spelling.
- equalunique 8y ago
  Pussy Riot is anti-Putin and they are still based in Russia. Same can be said about everyone in Russia who voted against Putin in the most recent election. You don't have to live outside of Russia to be anti-Putin.
  - gandhium 8y ago
    You can call them anti-Trump as well. And they have to serve jail time in Russia, btw.
- scottlocklin 8y ago
  He lives in the UK, as I already said. And somehow avoided being sued by Browder who also lives in the UK.
ender89 8y ago
fighting it gives it attention and validity, its the streisand effect. And Julian Assange lives in the UK but was still a tool of the kremlin's propaganda wing. what's your point?
- scottlocklin 8y ago
  This isn't even an argument; it is partisan quackery. FWIIW Browder was pro-Putin until Putin stopped letting him get away with tax fraud. Citations available: what do you have?
  - Fins 8y ago
    That's... an interesting interpretation of Magnitsky's murder. (regardless of whether Browder himself was involved in any shady dealings). They, and supporting citations, also come from only one source, too.
    - scottlocklin 8y ago
      We're talking about Assange here; why are you changing the subject? And, I do not get my Browder citations from "one source." I can cite you a bloody youtube video of him talking about what a great guy Putin is. This still has nothing to do with some poor bastard getting doxxed by a clown who thinks he is Sherlock Holmes.
      - Fins 8y ago
        No argument on the doxxing side, but I wasn't talking about Assange. We were talking about the "behind the scenes" movie, and the maker of the film might have been a Putin critic at some point, but is no more than a clown now. His Twitter feed is quite delicious, complete with claims that Russian press is freer than Western, and with adoring comments from people with English-sounding names, but written in such a stilted and obviously translated word for word from Russian language that one could do another HN post how Twitter's claim to have banned Russian bots is nothing but self-serving bunk.
Fins 8y ago
His anti-putin credentials have been questioned.