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> The gender neutral is just a dangerous ideology. Yet you're linking to Jordan Peterson videos. Maybe it's time for you to explore the world outside of your

> The gender neutral is just a dangerous ideology. Yet you're linking to Jordan Peterson videos. Maybe it's time for you to explore the world outside of your red pill bubble for a bit.

mariopt 8y ago
Because it's related. The underlying issue is a political one that it's making it's way to several fields. This is not about red pill or hate, it's about common sense. The translation "He's a soldier" will probably be accurate 99% of the time because... you know... armies are mostly made by men. It's likely that in the training dataset, "She's a soldier" doesn't appear as often. If the autocomplete/translation suggestion is not accurate, you can drag the cursor, click and edit it. Problem solved. The autocomplete is not meant to be biased or 100% accurate all the time. Being an AI, will need a huge dataset of text to provide the autocomplete. Gender is just one variable that is there, what matters for the product is that it will get the intention right most of the times.
- true_religion 8y ago
  When autocomplete is potentially wrong, I would rather it pick a neutral but correct choice and let me choose gender for myself.
thoughtexplorer 8y ago
Ironically your comment indicates that you are in a bubble. You reflexively dismissed them by saying "red pill", which is precisely what your bubble tells you how to react to anything that says "Jordan Peterson". That's not your own thought and it's not an honest or meaningful rebuttal to the OP. Take your own advice by watching some full length Peterson lectures with an open mind. You may find that you've been mislead.
- elliekelly 8y ago
  I've seen his videos. I've even read one of his books and saw him speak in London on his book tour. Every interesting point he raises is overshadowed by his pseudoscience chaos is feminine and order is masculine nonsense. He is sexist. His work espouses sexism. > That's not your own thought But please, tell me more about what goes on inside my own head.
  - thoughtexplorer 8y ago
    He doesn't discriminate against men or women. There is no evidence of that in his hundreds of hours of lectures or interviews or books. His wife and daughter would also disagree with the sexist claim. As well as his many female patients who he has helped with their careers. > But please, tell me more about what goes on inside my own head. I didn't mind read. You literally typed out a common dismissal. The sexist comment is also that.
    - elliekelly 8y ago
      "It's a very rare woman who at the age of 30 doesn't consider having a child her primary desire. And the ones that don't consider that, generally in my observation there's something that isn't quite right in the way that they're constituted or looking at the world." - Jordan Peterson[1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV2yvI4Id9Q&t=7m30s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV2yvI4Id9Q&t=7m30s
      - thoughtexplorer 8y ago
        Thanks for the example. Let's break that down. "It's a very rare woman who at the age of 30 doesn't consider having a child her primary desire." Evidence shows this to be the case. It is rare. "And the ones that don't consider that, generally in my observation there's something that isn't quite right in the way that they're constituted or looking at the world." I see how that sounds sexist, but he says the same thing about men that don't want kids. It's also important to note that he qualifies the statement as "generally", not as a rule. Acknowledging there are exceptions. It's not the case for everyone. He says that men are misguided for prioritizing work or money over kids. He actually makes the point that women are better at recognizing what leads to happiness, fulfillment and meaning. Which is family. That's his understanding based on decades of observation and research. But again generally speaking and there are exceptions.
- dang 8y ago
  Personal attacks like this are totally unacceptable on HN. I've banned this account. It's also unacceptable to use HN primarily for ideological warfare. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> The gender neutral is just a dangerous ideology. Yet you're linking to Jordan Peterson videos. Maybe it's time for you to explore the world outside of your red pill bubble for a bit.

mariopt 8y ago

Because it's related. The underlying issue is a political one that it's making it's way to several fields. This is not about red pill or hate, it's about common sense. The translation "He's a soldier" will probably be accurate 99% of the time because... you know... armies are mostly made by men. It's likely that in the training dataset, "She's a soldier" doesn't appear as often. If the autocomplete/translation suggestion is not accurate, you can drag the cursor, click and edit it. Problem solved. The autocomplete is not meant to be biased or 100% accurate all the time. Being an AI, will need a huge dataset of text to provide the autocomplete. Gender is just one variable that is there, what matters for the product is that it will get the intention right most of the times.

true_religion 8y ago
When autocomplete is potentially wrong, I would rather it pick a neutral but correct choice and let me choose gender for myself.

thoughtexplorer 8y ago

Ironically your comment indicates that you are in a bubble. You reflexively dismissed them by saying "red pill", which is precisely what your bubble tells you how to react to anything that says "Jordan Peterson". That's not your own thought and it's not an honest or meaningful rebuttal to the OP. Take your own advice by watching some full length Peterson lectures with an open mind. You may find that you've been mislead.

elliekelly 8y ago
I've seen his videos. I've even read one of his books and saw him speak in London on his book tour. Every interesting point he raises is overshadowed by his pseudoscience chaos is feminine and order is masculine nonsense. He is sexist. His work espouses sexism. > That's not your own thought But please, tell me more about what goes on inside my own head.
- thoughtexplorer 8y ago
  He doesn't discriminate against men or women. There is no evidence of that in his hundreds of hours of lectures or interviews or books. His wife and daughter would also disagree with the sexist claim. As well as his many female patients who he has helped with their careers. > But please, tell me more about what goes on inside my own head. I didn't mind read. You literally typed out a common dismissal. The sexist comment is also that.
  - elliekelly 8y ago
    "It's a very rare woman who at the age of 30 doesn't consider having a child her primary desire. And the ones that don't consider that, generally in my observation there's something that isn't quite right in the way that they're constituted or looking at the world." - Jordan Peterson[1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV2yvI4Id9Q&t=7m30s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV2yvI4Id9Q&t=7m30s
    - thoughtexplorer 8y ago
      Thanks for the example. Let's break that down. "It's a very rare woman who at the age of 30 doesn't consider having a child her primary desire." Evidence shows this to be the case. It is rare. "And the ones that don't consider that, generally in my observation there's something that isn't quite right in the way that they're constituted or looking at the world." I see how that sounds sexist, but he says the same thing about men that don't want kids. It's also important to note that he qualifies the statement as "generally", not as a rule. Acknowledging there are exceptions. It's not the case for everyone. He says that men are misguided for prioritizing work or money over kids. He actually makes the point that women are better at recognizing what leads to happiness, fulfillment and meaning. Which is family. That's his understanding based on decades of observation and research. But again generally speaking and there are exceptions.
dang 8y ago
Personal attacks like this are totally unacceptable on HN. I've banned this account. It's also unacceptable to use HN primarily for ideological warfare. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html