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Asking people to refer to you how you want to be addressed is not madness, it's just considerate.

by xbryanx 8y ago

voyager2 8y ago
Asking people to refer to you how you want to be addressed IS madness. You must then ask every person how to refer to him/her/them/it/cis/trans/pan before you assume standard English is good enough.
- xbryanx 8y ago
  Your madness is my ideal. I really enjoy living in a time that recognizes more than a binary sense of gender identity. Our language should change to address this. Just like it has changed to recognize that we use computers now.
  - voyager2 8y ago
    Please do not refer to madness as "your." "This" would be preferable. Also, I do not recognize that "our" language should change to address a tiny minority wishing to be referred to in a non-binary sense. The analog between using computers and non-binary self-identification is a strawman/woman/person/thing. Which straw<something> will be acceptable?
wang_li 8y ago
Being offended when an algorithm picks one of two words that represent 99.9+% of the population is madness. Also the words in question are not used to address a person. When I am speaking to a person, regardless of their gender identity, I use the second person pronouns you, yours, or yourself. These are already gender neutral. The requested gender neutral pronouns (xir/xe/ne/???) are used in the third person and lower the value of communication as there is no asexual physical presentation, people present as men or women based on their fashion and physical characteristics. Going to a restaurant and saying to the attendant that you are here to me "that xir over there" does not help them figure out which table to take you to. Not to mention that people who feel gender neutral are still male or female (or have experienced a physical developmental disorder, humans are dimorphic after all.)

4 ms·

Asking people to refer to you how you want to be addressed is not madness, it's just considerate.

by xbryanx 8y ago

Asking people to refer to you how you want to be addressed is not madness, it's just considerate.

voyager2 8y ago
Asking people to refer to you how you want to be addressed IS madness. You must then ask every person how to refer to him/her/them/it/cis/trans/pan before you assume standard English is good enough.
- xbryanx 8y ago
  Your madness is my ideal. I really enjoy living in a time that recognizes more than a binary sense of gender identity. Our language should change to address this. Just like it has changed to recognize that we use computers now.
  - voyager2 8y ago
    Please do not refer to madness as "your." "This" would be preferable. Also, I do not recognize that "our" language should change to address a tiny minority wishing to be referred to in a non-binary sense. The analog between using computers and non-binary self-identification is a strawman/woman/person/thing. Which straw<something> will be acceptable?
wang_li 8y ago
Being offended when an algorithm picks one of two words that represent 99.9+% of the population is madness. Also the words in question are not used to address a person. When I am speaking to a person, regardless of their gender identity, I use the second person pronouns you, yours, or yourself. These are already gender neutral. The requested gender neutral pronouns (xir/xe/ne/???) are used in the third person and lower the value of communication as there is no asexual physical presentation, people present as men or women based on their fashion and physical characteristics. Going to a restaurant and saying to the attendant that you are here to me "that xir over there" does not help them figure out which table to take you to. Not to mention that people who feel gender neutral are still male or female (or have experienced a physical developmental disorder, humans are dimorphic after all.)