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> How are any of the other platform providers any different? One thing that comes to mind is that a phone is much more personal, carries much more personal dat

> How are any of the other platform providers any different? One thing that comes to mind is that a phone is much more personal, carries much more personal data (health data, banking, etc.), and it's something you often interact with the entire day, every day. So, with Apple closing down the iOS system (for example you cannot inspect/debug ios apps like you can do with apps on a laptop), you end up having less transparency and less control over what apps do with your personal data.

scarface74 8y ago
Your control over which apps have your personal data is far greater on iOS than Windows. You’re not going to inspect every app that you run on your computer, but an app on an iOS device is very limited by both the sandbox that they are in and the granular permissions that iOS provides.
- TheForumTroll 8y ago
  > iOS than Windows Unless you mean Windows on a phone that is completely irrelevant. Unless (when) Apple starts putting only iOS on PC's.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    Then what was the original poster comparing it to? People don’t inspect binary compiled apps on any device.
- contextfree 8y ago
  UWP on Windows has a comparable sandbox and permissions system, although your post still probably describes the practical reality for most Windows users at the moment unfortunately.
- DavideNL 8y ago
  Coincidentally i just see this tweeted by Objective-see... https://twitter.com/thomasareed/status/1067527911798919172 https://twitter.com/thomasareed/status/1067527911798919172 ...which sums up the issue i meant.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    So there is malware on the app that can’t be detected but they know it’s there? What is this malware able to do? Intercept network traffic? Read other apps data? Surreptitiously record your screen? Turn on your camera? Turn on your Mic? Get to the Secure Enclave? And then he said. “Sounds reasonable, but how are you going to determine that when there’s no way to examine the app on the device? Forensic extraction of the app and analysis on a different platform is never going to be a mainstream solution for that.” Like there ever is a “mainstream solution” to doing forensics. And guess what? He works for malwarebytes. Anti virus companies have been trying to sell bogus “virus protection” for iOS for a decade.

scarface74 8y ago

Your control over which apps have your personal data is far greater on iOS than Windows. You’re not going to inspect every app that you run on your computer, but an app on an iOS device is very limited by both the sandbox that they are in and the granular permissions that iOS provides.

TheForumTroll 8y ago
> iOS than Windows Unless you mean Windows on a phone that is completely irrelevant. Unless (when) Apple starts putting only iOS on PC's.
- scarface74 8y ago
  Then what was the original poster comparing it to? People don’t inspect binary compiled apps on any device.
contextfree 8y ago
UWP on Windows has a comparable sandbox and permissions system, although your post still probably describes the practical reality for most Windows users at the moment unfortunately.
DavideNL 8y ago
Coincidentally i just see this tweeted by Objective-see... https://twitter.com/thomasareed/status/1067527911798919172 https://twitter.com/thomasareed/status/1067527911798919172 ...which sums up the issue i meant.
- scarface74 8y ago
  So there is malware on the app that can’t be detected but they know it’s there? What is this malware able to do? Intercept network traffic? Read other apps data? Surreptitiously record your screen? Turn on your camera? Turn on your Mic? Get to the Secure Enclave? And then he said. “Sounds reasonable, but how are you going to determine that when there’s no way to examine the app on the device? Forensic extraction of the app and analysis on a different platform is never going to be a mainstream solution for that.” Like there ever is a “mainstream solution” to doing forensics. And guess what? He works for malwarebytes. Anti virus companies have been trying to sell bogus “virus protection” for iOS for a decade.