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I disagree, i think the real problem is not that the EULA's are vague or too long, but that often times people dont have any other choice but to use that softwa

by Pi-ena 8y ago

I disagree, i think the real problem is not that the EULA's are vague or too long, but that often times people dont have any other choice but to use that software/service, and are forced to accept the EULA because of it.

afpx 8y ago
Right, because people don’t actually want to pay for anything.
hashr8064 8y ago
> but that often times people dont have any other choice but to use that software/service, and are forced to accept the EULA because of it. What? When have you ever been forced to use software X? Even with google, msft, apple, etc. you can always just not use their products. It might be inconvenient for you i.e. you have to buy a real map to figure out how to get from A to B but that's completely different than forced coercion.
- a_imho 8y ago
  Well, EU ruled citizens can not be forced to give up their privacy to use a product/service. Google, msft, apple etc can play by the rules (which Google clearly does not according to this research) or accept the consequences.
- pirocks 8y ago
  I go to a university that uses office 365 for email/document sharing etc. I have friends who go to universities that use the equivalent Google products. I went to a high school that used Google classroom for a variety of assignments.
- Sylos 8y ago
  As you might guess, the legal interpretation of "not being forced" will be more nuanced than "theoretically the guy could abandon a normal life in society to not have to use this". For example, not being able to use a smartphone is generally not considered a sensible state for a citizen to be in. Even only being able to choose from one offering, because the other is criminally bad in terms of privacy, is generally not considered sensible. I'm saying "sensible" here, with which I mean that it's not in the interest of the population as a whole for individual persons to feel impeded like that. Often enough rulings don't come down to right or wrong, legal or not, but rather to this type of sensible.
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emptyfile 8y ago
EULA's are worthles pieces of digital paper in any EU court.
- acct1771 8y ago
  "EULAs are worthless in any EU court."

by Pi-ena 8y ago

afpx 8y ago

Right, because people don’t actually want to pay for anything.

hashr8064 8y ago

> but that often times people dont have any other choice but to use that software/service, and are forced to accept the EULA because of it. What? When have you ever been forced to use software X? Even with google, msft, apple, etc. you can always just not use their products. It might be inconvenient for you i.e. you have to buy a real map to figure out how to get from A to B but that's completely different than forced coercion.

a_imho 8y ago
Well, EU ruled citizens can not be forced to give up their privacy to use a product/service. Google, msft, apple etc can play by the rules (which Google clearly does not according to this research) or accept the consequences.
pirocks 8y ago
I go to a university that uses office 365 for email/document sharing etc. I have friends who go to universities that use the equivalent Google products. I went to a high school that used Google classroom for a variety of assignments.
Sylos 8y ago
As you might guess, the legal interpretation of "not being forced" will be more nuanced than "theoretically the guy could abandon a normal life in society to not have to use this". For example, not being able to use a smartphone is generally not considered a sensible state for a citizen to be in. Even only being able to choose from one offering, because the other is criminally bad in terms of privacy, is generally not considered sensible. I'm saying "sensible" here, with which I mean that it's not in the interest of the population as a whole for individual persons to feel impeded like that. Often enough rulings don't come down to right or wrong, legal or not, but rather to this type of sensible.
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emptyfile 8y ago

EULA's are worthles pieces of digital paper in any EU court.

acct1771 8y ago
"EULAs are worthless in any EU court."