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>Removing the headphone-jack is akin to removing a fire-alarm system Am I missing something? There's still a headphone port on phones, it's just not dedicated.

>Removing the headphone-jack is akin to removing a fire-alarm system Am I missing something? There's still a headphone port on phones, it's just not dedicated. People can still plug headphones in to their phones right? I'm asking because the tone of these comments makes it seem like new phones have removed the ability to listen to music without bluetooth.

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virmundi 8y ago
The iPhone allows the ability to use old headphones if you use an adapter. So you have to remember to carry that with you. You then have to buy another adapter to charge the phone at the same time as using the headphones. Say you want to use YouTube, but not pay for Red, Unlimited, or whatever they call it now. You have to leave the screen on, which means eating the battery. Two dongles or you run the risk of running your phone down.
- ModernMech 8y ago
  Can I just say how insane it is Youtube charges you for the privilege of turning off your screen? I remember the original iPad did this for free. How is this the world we made for ourselves?
  - Wowfunhappy 8y ago
    Welcome to the new mobile computing world. The only features you can have are those explicitly allowed by the software vendor.
  - JetSpiegel 8y ago
    Works on NewPipe...
fidrelity 8y ago
There are more and more phones produced without a headphone jack: https://smartphones.gadgethacks.com/news/always-updated-list-phones-with-no-headphone-jack-built-0181441/ https://smartphones.gadgethacks.com/news/always-updated-list...
- yoz-y 8y ago
  Parent was probably referring to the fact that phones still have usb-c/lightning ports and you can plug usb-c/lightning headphones to them just fine. The port is not dedicated but as long as you are not charging it works identically to the old headphone jack.
  - SAI_Peregrinus 8y ago
    Of course since most of the issues seem to come from things like interaction with cars, and GPS tends to quickly drain battery thus strongly encouraging using a charger, and therefore lack of a headphone jack makes getting audio in the car much more difficult... well, that "as long as you are not charging" is a pretty big negative. And that's ignoring all the various issues Bluetooth has, like some apps (eg Waze) utterly failing to output sound over Bluetooth most of the time.
    - rootusrootus 8y ago
      Is it really common to use headphones in the car, though? The last few cars I've owned, I plugged my phone into the radio with USB and it both charged the phone and played music as well.
      - _Tev 8y ago
        It is _very_ common to charge the phone and listen to the music at the same time. Maybe only for me ... But I won't ever buy these 1-port-for-everything devices.
      - brokenmachine 8y ago
        Lots of cars don't support transfer of audio via USB but do have an AUX socket. I think OP was talking about people plugging between the headphone socket of their phone and the AUX input of the car stereo - not wearing headphones in the car.
tjoff 8y ago
You are missing the fact that lugging an adapter is not a realistic option. I lived the dongle life for almost two years. By the end the darn thing had started glitching on me and you could not buy replacements. I'm lucky it didn't damage the charging port... Not that it matters, I still didn't have it with me half of the times it turned out I needed it. I actually considered buying like 10 of them. Now we are talking about 100 USD of the crap and a MASSIVE and daily inconvenience just because the manufacturer decided to save a couple of cents. This shit is just ridiculous.
- rikkus 8y ago
  I bought one and put it on the end of a headphone cable and left it there. I’m not sure what the massive inconvenience is here.
  - tjoff 8y ago
    That works but that is just one very very narrow use case. There are tons of situations when that won't help you. And that's even if you only use one pair of headphones.
    - rikkus 8y ago
      I have AirPods for meetings and music while walking, the normal Apple buds - now just backup in case I leave my AirPods behind, some Sony closed back monsters for shutting out noise while working in cafes and some nice open back Grados for music listening at home. I hardly use the Sonys but if I do, I will just borrow the adaptor from my Apple buds in my laptop bag. For listening to my Grados I use an amp with a headphone socket. If I wanted to plug them into my phone I would need the Apple lightning adapter and also one to the smaller headphone jack! This doesn’t bother me. If I want to do that, I’ll just do it. I’ll even spend another £9 on an adapter to leave connected if I do it often enough. None of this seems terrible to me and I’m not sure how unique this set of circumstances is. What are the tons of situations where this gets tricky?
      - 8y ago

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virmundi 8y ago

The iPhone allows the ability to use old headphones if you use an adapter. So you have to remember to carry that with you. You then have to buy another adapter to charge the phone at the same time as using the headphones. Say you want to use YouTube, but not pay for Red, Unlimited, or whatever they call it now. You have to leave the screen on, which means eating the battery. Two dongles or you run the risk of running your phone down.

ModernMech 8y ago
Can I just say how insane it is Youtube charges you for the privilege of turning off your screen? I remember the original iPad did this for free. How is this the world we made for ourselves?
- Wowfunhappy 8y ago
  Welcome to the new mobile computing world. The only features you can have are those explicitly allowed by the software vendor.
- JetSpiegel 8y ago
  Works on NewPipe...

fidrelity 8y ago

There are more and more phones produced without a headphone jack: https://smartphones.gadgethacks.com/news/always-updated-list-phones-with-no-headphone-jack-built-0181441/ https://smartphones.gadgethacks.com/news/always-updated-list...

yoz-y 8y ago
Parent was probably referring to the fact that phones still have usb-c/lightning ports and you can plug usb-c/lightning headphones to them just fine. The port is not dedicated but as long as you are not charging it works identically to the old headphone jack.
- SAI_Peregrinus 8y ago
  Of course since most of the issues seem to come from things like interaction with cars, and GPS tends to quickly drain battery thus strongly encouraging using a charger, and therefore lack of a headphone jack makes getting audio in the car much more difficult... well, that "as long as you are not charging" is a pretty big negative. And that's ignoring all the various issues Bluetooth has, like some apps (eg Waze) utterly failing to output sound over Bluetooth most of the time.
  - rootusrootus 8y ago
    Is it really common to use headphones in the car, though? The last few cars I've owned, I plugged my phone into the radio with USB and it both charged the phone and played music as well.
    - _Tev 8y ago
      It is _very_ common to charge the phone and listen to the music at the same time. Maybe only for me ... But I won't ever buy these 1-port-for-everything devices.
    - brokenmachine 8y ago
      Lots of cars don't support transfer of audio via USB but do have an AUX socket. I think OP was talking about people plugging between the headphone socket of their phone and the AUX input of the car stereo - not wearing headphones in the car.

tjoff 8y ago

You are missing the fact that lugging an adapter is not a realistic option. I lived the dongle life for almost two years. By the end the darn thing had started glitching on me and you could not buy replacements. I'm lucky it didn't damage the charging port... Not that it matters, I still didn't have it with me half of the times it turned out I needed it. I actually considered buying like 10 of them. Now we are talking about 100 USD of the crap and a MASSIVE and daily inconvenience just because the manufacturer decided to save a couple of cents. This shit is just ridiculous.

rikkus 8y ago
I bought one and put it on the end of a headphone cable and left it there. I’m not sure what the massive inconvenience is here.
- tjoff 8y ago
  That works but that is just one very very narrow use case. There are tons of situations when that won't help you. And that's even if you only use one pair of headphones.
  - rikkus 8y ago
    I have AirPods for meetings and music while walking, the normal Apple buds - now just backup in case I leave my AirPods behind, some Sony closed back monsters for shutting out noise while working in cafes and some nice open back Grados for music listening at home. I hardly use the Sonys but if I do, I will just borrow the adaptor from my Apple buds in my laptop bag. For listening to my Grados I use an amp with a headphone socket. If I wanted to plug them into my phone I would need the Apple lightning adapter and also one to the smaller headphone jack! This doesn’t bother me. If I want to do that, I’ll just do it. I’ll even spend another £9 on an adapter to leave connected if I do it often enough. None of this seems terrible to me and I’m not sure how unique this set of circumstances is. What are the tons of situations where this gets tricky?
    - 8y ago