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So? There are almost 100 million party members in China. And higher the education you are, the party will be more persuasive in having you join them. And it is

So? There are almost 100 million party members in China. And higher the education you are, the party will be more persuasive in having you join them. And it is in China, come on. Being a Communist member isn't a SIN. And Ma openly said he is a fan of Mao and would not hesitate to hand over Alipay to the 'country', had the government asked for it. So make no mistake, he joining the party is like a win-win for, both parties(no pun intended).

Waterluvian 8y ago
I think applied collectivism might be particularly difficult for Westerners to reconcile with our world view, especially those part of entrepreneurship communities.
- davidivadavid 8y ago
  Do you really think that's the sticking point Westerners have with communism in China?
  - Waterluvian 8y ago
    I think it's one of many facets of a very interesting topic.
wyuenho 8y ago
> Being a Communist member isn't a SIN. And Ma openly said he is a fan of Mao and would not hesitate to hand over Alipay to the 'country', had the government asked for it. I'm surprised that being a communist member isn't a sin, but being a nazi is (I assumed you do think being a nazi is), I'll skip the history lesson here, you can look both up. Also, handing Alipay, an app full of personal information to aid widespread surveillance of an authoritarian government is a sin in itself. If you don't think it is, you need to check your moral compass. The problem with the CCP is this: the party and the state are the same thing. The CCP controls the security and armed forces, and they answer to no one but themselves. Therefore, if the party wants Jack Ma to do something, especially now that he's a member, he's subject to the disciplinary actions of the CCP, which can range from being renditioned, kidnapped, having family arrested, to house arrest and "being suicided" due to "depression". He joining the party can mean only 2 things, he condones these methods or he's completely under control by them and will execute any CCP demands, reasonable or otherwise. This is news is because the tech sector, even in China, has traditionally been able to escape getting too tied up to the party's politics, even if they have to censor content. The fact that they have to swear party allegiance now means all that have changed, and now the tech companies have to obey to the party absolutely. Given there's effectively no check and balances to the party, this is very concerning.

Waterluvian 8y ago

I think applied collectivism might be particularly difficult for Westerners to reconcile with our world view, especially those part of entrepreneurship communities.

davidivadavid 8y ago
Do you really think that's the sticking point Westerners have with communism in China?
- Waterluvian 8y ago
  I think it's one of many facets of a very interesting topic.

wyuenho 8y ago

> Being a Communist member isn't a SIN. And Ma openly said he is a fan of Mao and would not hesitate to hand over Alipay to the 'country', had the government asked for it. I'm surprised that being a communist member isn't a sin, but being a nazi is (I assumed you do think being a nazi is), I'll skip the history lesson here, you can look both up. Also, handing Alipay, an app full of personal information to aid widespread surveillance of an authoritarian government is a sin in itself. If you don't think it is, you need to check your moral compass. The problem with the CCP is this: the party and the state are the same thing. The CCP controls the security and armed forces, and they answer to no one but themselves. Therefore, if the party wants Jack Ma to do something, especially now that he's a member, he's subject to the disciplinary actions of the CCP, which can range from being renditioned, kidnapped, having family arrested, to house arrest and "being suicided" due to "depression". He joining the party can mean only 2 things, he condones these methods or he's completely under control by them and will execute any CCP demands, reasonable or otherwise. This is news is because the tech sector, even in China, has traditionally been able to escape getting too tied up to the party's politics, even if they have to censor content. The fact that they have to swear party allegiance now means all that have changed, and now the tech companies have to obey to the party absolutely. Given there's effectively no check and balances to the party, this is very concerning.