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I think it’s more to do with Apple actually. I don’t believe google could place them on a full screen video on iOS.

by samwillis 8y ago

hvidgaard 8y ago
Absolutely nothing prevents Youtube from embedding the annotations in the video for playback on restricted devices.
setquk 8y ago
You can't and never could do so why implement it?
read_if_gay_ 8y ago
The youtube app has its own frontend for video playback.
- samwillis 8y ago
  True, but not within safari.
  - snaky 8y ago
    Why anybody would play YouTube videos in Safari on iOS? Don't tell me iOS don't open YouTube links in YouTube app automatically?
    - not_kurt_godel 8y ago
      I use Brave to watch videos, never the Youtube app, which I don't have installed. It at least gives the illusion that I have control over the requests Youtube is making from my phone. God only knows how much sneaky data collection they do with the app...
    - mikewhy 8y ago
      Used to be if you used Safari you can play video in the background. On iPad it also meant you can get picture-in-picture. Not sure if those "tricks" still work.
      - Wowfunhappy 8y ago
        Can confirm this doesn't work anymore, and hasn't for a while actually. (There is, however, a wonderful Jailbreak tweak that restores the functionality.)
      - WeAreGoingIn 8y ago
        Try Opera Mini on IOS.
    - Wowfunhappy 8y ago
      Why should I install a separate app just for Youtube when the website works fine?
      - baddox 8y ago
        I thought the premise of this subthread was that the website doesn't work fine.
    - larkeith 8y ago
      Permissions requested on Android: Camera, microphone, contacts, storage. Because YouTube has entirely ethical and noninvasive reasons for needing access to contact data and unprompted file storage.
      - snaky 8y ago
        For Android there is F-Droid. > Lightweight YouTube frontend that's supposed to be used without the proprietary YouTube-API or any of Google's (proprietary) play-services. https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/
        JetSpiegel 8y ago
        It even allows to stream audio only while turning the screen off.
      - thecatspaw 8y ago
        Can you record videos with the youtube app? that would explain Camera and microphone. Contacts is probably for sharing videos and storage might be cache?
    - basch 8y ago
      I find it infuriating when I am on google, click a link and the yelp app just opens without any sort of warning. Youtube isnt far behind. If i already had something open in one of those apps, and was coming back to it, my state is cleared.
      - philsnow 8y ago
        That doesn't happen if you don't have the yelp app installed. Don't reward their shitty dark patterns[0] by installing their app. They have a site that is perfectly amenable to being consumed in a web browser on your phone. They're _already done the work_ to make it work well on your phone, but then they kneecapped it and turned the hard work of all those engineers and designers into lead-gen for their app so they can get your location data. m.yelp.com: This page will open in another application. me: tHiS PAgE wiLl OPEn iN aNOtheR ApPliCaTIon. [0] You can only see the first few pictures, you can only read the first fifty words of each review, and every attempt to go beyond that[1] is met with a redirect to the App Store app [1] no, they don't make it clear that clicking that "read more" link is going to send you to another app.
        basch 8y ago
        to me its more the operating system and or browser fault. we have PROTOCOL already. if i want it to open in yelp it should either start the link with yelp:// or food:// and my os should default to my default food app. if its https:// https:// keep it in my damn browser. google should let me set link rewrite settings per site or type, if i say for example WANT https://youtube https://youtube to be rewritten on the fly as youtube://filename
    - deleted 8y ago
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  - alliecat 8y ago
    Which is one reason, among many, for YouTube to build a native application.
    - mcintyre1994 8y ago
      They already have one. I think they had one on the very first iPhone even.
      - alliecat 8y ago
        iPhone owner since the very first iPhone - I know ;)
Klover 8y ago
What is or isn’t allowed on iOS limits the Android app? Of course iOS users are a significant amount, but they could do something for only a mere like 90% of their mobile user base. It’s just that annotations weren’t working with their mouse focus, while cards have been there as a replacement since forever in internet age. (More towards saurik) Maybe it’s very noble to want to hoard annotations on 100 views cat videos from 2009, but I’m sure the amount of significant losses that won’t be solved by simply adding a comment to the video is next to nothing.
ehsankia 8y ago
Can you make them non-interactable and bake them in there? Maybe a second layer video shown on top?
kennydude 8y ago
How does the endscreen functionality work then?
tokyodude 8y ago
Yes it's at least partly about Apple and it's partly the fact that Apple doesn't allow browser competition (only skinned Safari). If Apple allowed browser competition then Firefox and Chrome would likely support fullscreen mode (like they both do on Android) and Apple would effectively be pushed to add it to mobile Safari or lose market share. On the other hand I wish Google would give me the option to bake in the annotations if they're going to remove them. I have a few instructional videos with corrections in the annotations. Those will be gone and the videos will end up being wrong.
- samat 8y ago
  Using webkit engine to build a browser is not skinning Safari. There is much more to the browser than rendering engine.
  - tokyodude 8y ago
    But as far as what APIs you can expose to JS there is a limit. Can you expose WebGL2? Fullscreen? Screen Orientatio API? WebVR? WebAssembly? Input type=Color, OffscreenCanvas? or do you have to wait for Apple to add them to the base iOS WebKit? Can you fix the fact that iOS Safari shows very poor performance animating while streaming assets?
- tinus_hn 8y ago
  The web view is just a widget. If you want to make it full screen, make it full screen. Apple is t stopping you.
- dhimes 8y ago
  OK So I'm trying to understand. This is about using some Google software to annotate videos without actually changing the underlying video? I'm made annotations, but always in my video software (openshot or whatever) so they are baked into the video. They should still work ok. It would be pretty easy to do this for things you really needed. Just import your video and add some keyframes with the overlay. Or maybe you lose your URL when you edit? and just not leave everything up to Google to decide in the future IMHO. EDIT: reading farther down, I see the answer to the latter half: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18540470 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18540470
Reason077 8y ago
Huh? I am an iOS developer and I’m certainly not aware of any technical restrictions here. The YouTube app overlays all kinds of things over full screen video. Link boxes while ads play, for example. This was more about suitability for the screen format - multiple boxes with small text just didn’t work too well on mobile.

I think it’s more to do with Apple actually. I don’t believe google could place them on a full screen video on iOS.

hvidgaard 8y ago

Absolutely nothing prevents Youtube from embedding the annotations in the video for playback on restricted devices.

setquk 8y ago

You can't and never could do so why implement it?

read_if_gay_ 8y ago

The youtube app has its own frontend for video playback.

samwillis 8y ago
True, but not within safari.
- snaky 8y ago
  Why anybody would play YouTube videos in Safari on iOS? Don't tell me iOS don't open YouTube links in YouTube app automatically?
  - not_kurt_godel 8y ago
    I use Brave to watch videos, never the Youtube app, which I don't have installed. It at least gives the illusion that I have control over the requests Youtube is making from my phone. God only knows how much sneaky data collection they do with the app...
  - mikewhy 8y ago
    Used to be if you used Safari you can play video in the background. On iPad it also meant you can get picture-in-picture. Not sure if those "tricks" still work.
    - Wowfunhappy 8y ago
      Can confirm this doesn't work anymore, and hasn't for a while actually. (There is, however, a wonderful Jailbreak tweak that restores the functionality.)
    - WeAreGoingIn 8y ago
      Try Opera Mini on IOS.
  - Wowfunhappy 8y ago
    Why should I install a separate app just for Youtube when the website works fine?
    - baddox 8y ago
      I thought the premise of this subthread was that the website doesn't work fine.
  - larkeith 8y ago
    Permissions requested on Android: Camera, microphone, contacts, storage. Because YouTube has entirely ethical and noninvasive reasons for needing access to contact data and unprompted file storage.
    - snaky 8y ago
      For Android there is F-Droid. > Lightweight YouTube frontend that's supposed to be used without the proprietary YouTube-API or any of Google's (proprietary) play-services. https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/
      - JetSpiegel 8y ago
        It even allows to stream audio only while turning the screen off.
    - thecatspaw 8y ago
      Can you record videos with the youtube app? that would explain Camera and microphone. Contacts is probably for sharing videos and storage might be cache?
  - basch 8y ago
    I find it infuriating when I am on google, click a link and the yelp app just opens without any sort of warning. Youtube isnt far behind. If i already had something open in one of those apps, and was coming back to it, my state is cleared.
    - philsnow 8y ago
      That doesn't happen if you don't have the yelp app installed. Don't reward their shitty dark patterns[0] by installing their app. They have a site that is perfectly amenable to being consumed in a web browser on your phone. They're _already done the work_ to make it work well on your phone, but then they kneecapped it and turned the hard work of all those engineers and designers into lead-gen for their app so they can get your location data. m.yelp.com: This page will open in another application. me: tHiS PAgE wiLl OPEn iN aNOtheR ApPliCaTIon. [0] You can only see the first few pictures, you can only read the first fifty words of each review, and every attempt to go beyond that[1] is met with a redirect to the App Store app [1] no, they don't make it clear that clicking that "read more" link is going to send you to another app.
      - basch 8y ago
        to me its more the operating system and or browser fault. we have PROTOCOL already. if i want it to open in yelp it should either start the link with yelp:// or food:// and my os should default to my default food app. if its https:// https:// keep it in my damn browser. google should let me set link rewrite settings per site or type, if i say for example WANT https://youtube https://youtube to be rewritten on the fly as youtube://filename
  - deleted 8y ago
    [deleted]
- alliecat 8y ago
  Which is one reason, among many, for YouTube to build a native application.
  - mcintyre1994 8y ago
    They already have one. I think they had one on the very first iPhone even.
    - alliecat 8y ago
      iPhone owner since the very first iPhone - I know ;)

Klover 8y ago

What is or isn’t allowed on iOS limits the Android app? Of course iOS users are a significant amount, but they could do something for only a mere like 90% of their mobile user base. It’s just that annotations weren’t working with their mouse focus, while cards have been there as a replacement since forever in internet age. (More towards saurik) Maybe it’s very noble to want to hoard annotations on 100 views cat videos from 2009, but I’m sure the amount of significant losses that won’t be solved by simply adding a comment to the video is next to nothing.

ehsankia 8y ago

Can you make them non-interactable and bake them in there? Maybe a second layer video shown on top?

kennydude 8y ago

How does the endscreen functionality work then?

tokyodude 8y ago

Yes it's at least partly about Apple and it's partly the fact that Apple doesn't allow browser competition (only skinned Safari). If Apple allowed browser competition then Firefox and Chrome would likely support fullscreen mode (like they both do on Android) and Apple would effectively be pushed to add it to mobile Safari or lose market share. On the other hand I wish Google would give me the option to bake in the annotations if they're going to remove them. I have a few instructional videos with corrections in the annotations. Those will be gone and the videos will end up being wrong.

samat 8y ago
Using webkit engine to build a browser is not skinning Safari. There is much more to the browser than rendering engine.
- tokyodude 8y ago
  But as far as what APIs you can expose to JS there is a limit. Can you expose WebGL2? Fullscreen? Screen Orientatio API? WebVR? WebAssembly? Input type=Color, OffscreenCanvas? or do you have to wait for Apple to add them to the base iOS WebKit? Can you fix the fact that iOS Safari shows very poor performance animating while streaming assets?
tinus_hn 8y ago
The web view is just a widget. If you want to make it full screen, make it full screen. Apple is t stopping you.
dhimes 8y ago
OK So I'm trying to understand. This is about using some Google software to annotate videos without actually changing the underlying video? I'm made annotations, but always in my video software (openshot or whatever) so they are baked into the video. They should still work ok. It would be pretty easy to do this for things you really needed. Just import your video and add some keyframes with the overlay. Or maybe you lose your URL when you edit? and just not leave everything up to Google to decide in the future IMHO. EDIT: reading farther down, I see the answer to the latter half: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18540470 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18540470

Reason077 8y ago

Huh? I am an iOS developer and I’m certainly not aware of any technical restrictions here. The YouTube app overlays all kinds of things over full screen video. Link boxes while ads play, for example. This was more about suitability for the screen format - multiple boxes with small text just didn’t work too well on mobile.