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Its not that I "want" to use them. The difference is that I could use the same headphones to record drums, drum machines, guitar, Vox, or even my iPhone. Blueto

by S_A_P 8y ago

Its not that I "want" to use them. The difference is that I could use the same headphones to record drums, drum machines, guitar, Vox, or even my iPhone. Bluetooth is great! I use it in my car for phone and audio all the time. Wireless headphones are at a fundamental disadvantage in that they have less battery capacity than a phone. Those AirPod thingys you like? great. They don't fit my weird ears. My problem. but ear buds and I don't mix. Sorry, wireless and small are at odds with each other.

eksemplar 8y ago
Why don’t you just plug your old headphones into the adapter and continue to use them?
- PhasmaFelis 8y ago
  Because it's a pain in the ass to have to carry around another fiddly bit of tech gear which should have been completely unnecessary. Yeah, it's petty. But literally no one benefits from the absence of jack (or at least no user), so why inflict even a petty annoyance on some users with nothing gained for it?
  - eksemplar 8y ago
    Could they have build the iPhone XS with a jack? Because if they couldn’t, I’d argue that everyone who owns one benefits from it not having a jack. The real annoyance for me isn’t the lack of the jack, it’s that they haven’t also replaced the jack on the MacBook line yet.
    - city41 8y ago
      Why couldn’t they build it with a jack? Due to the thickness? I’m typing this out on my iPhone 6 (which I will keep until it disintegrates because of its headphone jack) and it is plenty thin. I think only Apple themselves are obsessed with thin devices.
      - jakeogh 8y ago
        Heh. No. It's about DRM. Incrementalisim is powerful. They just pretend it's not.
      - Cogito 8y ago
        Thinness and waterproofing are the two things I've heard that lead to removing the jack. Neither seems insurmountable, but if you want to try and remove as many obstacles as possible in the search of those two things then the headphone jack is apparently one of the simpler ones. Speakers, camera lens, physical buttons, charging, and data transfer are the remaining ones I can think of, and many of those have already been replaced in some models.
        yellowapple 8y ago
        Samsung's been shipping waterproof (or at least water-resistant) headphone-jacked phones for years now.
        Cogito 8y ago
        Exactly, I think there are solutions for more or less everything I listed, or solutions could be found if necessary. I think the headphone jack is a very practical component of the phone, and miss it regularly, but removing it does remove a few limitations on the designer. At some point, in perhaps the not too distant future, I wouldn't be surprised if phones had been reduced down to look like not much more than a piece of glass. Maybe even a piece of flexible glass! That's definitely been the trend for a while now, and things like edge to edge screens and wireless charging move us further in that direction. Thankfully neither of those seem to have necessitated the removal of some other function. There have been other casualties other on this path to simplification, such as the removal of the physical home button, but I don't think any which leave as big a gap as the headphone jack.
        lagadu 8y ago
        That would definitely be cool, we see them fairly often in modern scifi films/shows too nowadays.
    - flurdy 8y ago
      Nooo. Don't take my headphone port from my MBP! In my home office, I have it wired to my simple mixer and amp with which two other computers also connect to. And from that split into my speakers and a pair of headset. All non-digital and no USB involved with other things that can go wrong. I am no Hi-Fi buff, I just like one volume and power button when I need to silence or amp things. Whilst commuting on the train I also use the headphone jack, even though I also have a Bluetooth headset, but it is limited to two sources which are already used up by my iPad and phone. I don't want to yet again swear internally whilst standing on a busy tube with 1000 other people with Bluetooth devices, and having to reset the pairing on my iPad/iPhone. Ps. I have an old phone with a 3.5mm jack, but I never use it. I use audio on my phone only when commuting or walking and then use Bluetooth. But my old iPad and MBP are stationary so I only use 3.5mm devices with them.
  - astrostl 8y ago
    I don’t use wired headphones, but I imagine that I would just leave the adapter on them 24/7?
    - wl 8y ago
      I'd rather keep the 1/8" to 1/4" adapter on it. Lightning or USB C means now I have two adapters to carry around.
      - PhasmaFelis 8y ago
        It shouldn't be required either way, but I've occasionally zip-tied two adapters together so I can swap between them quickly.
    - skgoa 8y ago
      Correct. It really isn't a big deal.
      - Zach_the_Lizard 8y ago
        Until you want to charge and listen to music at the same time, which I wanted to do on a flight recently. I had to charge up to what I thought was enough and then put the headphones in. Annoying. My wife also brought Lightning headphones, which didn't work with anything except her phone, leading to her using the cheap airline ear buds for the in flight entertainment system.
        Mtinie 8y ago
        Alternatively you can pick up a dual-port adapter and charge while you listen: For example, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E5AHZYA https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E5AHZYA
    - konart 8y ago
      >but I imagine that I would just leave the adapter on them 24/7? Except people often use same headphone with both - phone and pc, so you will have to remove the adapter anyway.
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AmericanChopper 8y ago
>Wireless headphones are at a fundamental disadvantage in that they have less battery capacity than a phone. I’ve been using a pair of beats for over a year now, and have never run out of batteries with them, even on multi-leg long haul flights. I use them constantly, and almost exclusively charge them when I have to go to a meeting, which doesn’t usually happen more than once a day. I used AirPods before then and their battery life was even better.

by S_A_P 8y ago

eksemplar 8y ago

Why don’t you just plug your old headphones into the adapter and continue to use them?

PhasmaFelis 8y ago
Because it's a pain in the ass to have to carry around another fiddly bit of tech gear which should have been completely unnecessary. Yeah, it's petty. But literally no one benefits from the absence of jack (or at least no user), so why inflict even a petty annoyance on some users with nothing gained for it?
- eksemplar 8y ago
  Could they have build the iPhone XS with a jack? Because if they couldn’t, I’d argue that everyone who owns one benefits from it not having a jack. The real annoyance for me isn’t the lack of the jack, it’s that they haven’t also replaced the jack on the MacBook line yet.
  - city41 8y ago
    Why couldn’t they build it with a jack? Due to the thickness? I’m typing this out on my iPhone 6 (which I will keep until it disintegrates because of its headphone jack) and it is plenty thin. I think only Apple themselves are obsessed with thin devices.
    - jakeogh 8y ago
      Heh. No. It's about DRM. Incrementalisim is powerful. They just pretend it's not.
    - Cogito 8y ago
      Thinness and waterproofing are the two things I've heard that lead to removing the jack. Neither seems insurmountable, but if you want to try and remove as many obstacles as possible in the search of those two things then the headphone jack is apparently one of the simpler ones. Speakers, camera lens, physical buttons, charging, and data transfer are the remaining ones I can think of, and many of those have already been replaced in some models.
      - yellowapple 8y ago
        Samsung's been shipping waterproof (or at least water-resistant) headphone-jacked phones for years now.
        Cogito 8y ago
        Exactly, I think there are solutions for more or less everything I listed, or solutions could be found if necessary. I think the headphone jack is a very practical component of the phone, and miss it regularly, but removing it does remove a few limitations on the designer. At some point, in perhaps the not too distant future, I wouldn't be surprised if phones had been reduced down to look like not much more than a piece of glass. Maybe even a piece of flexible glass! That's definitely been the trend for a while now, and things like edge to edge screens and wireless charging move us further in that direction. Thankfully neither of those seem to have necessitated the removal of some other function. There have been other casualties other on this path to simplification, such as the removal of the physical home button, but I don't think any which leave as big a gap as the headphone jack.
        lagadu 8y ago
        That would definitely be cool, we see them fairly often in modern scifi films/shows too nowadays.
  - flurdy 8y ago
    Nooo. Don't take my headphone port from my MBP! In my home office, I have it wired to my simple mixer and amp with which two other computers also connect to. And from that split into my speakers and a pair of headset. All non-digital and no USB involved with other things that can go wrong. I am no Hi-Fi buff, I just like one volume and power button when I need to silence or amp things. Whilst commuting on the train I also use the headphone jack, even though I also have a Bluetooth headset, but it is limited to two sources which are already used up by my iPad and phone. I don't want to yet again swear internally whilst standing on a busy tube with 1000 other people with Bluetooth devices, and having to reset the pairing on my iPad/iPhone. Ps. I have an old phone with a 3.5mm jack, but I never use it. I use audio on my phone only when commuting or walking and then use Bluetooth. But my old iPad and MBP are stationary so I only use 3.5mm devices with them.
- astrostl 8y ago
  I don’t use wired headphones, but I imagine that I would just leave the adapter on them 24/7?
  - wl 8y ago
    I'd rather keep the 1/8" to 1/4" adapter on it. Lightning or USB C means now I have two adapters to carry around.
    - PhasmaFelis 8y ago
      It shouldn't be required either way, but I've occasionally zip-tied two adapters together so I can swap between them quickly.
  - skgoa 8y ago
    Correct. It really isn't a big deal.
    - Zach_the_Lizard 8y ago
      Until you want to charge and listen to music at the same time, which I wanted to do on a flight recently. I had to charge up to what I thought was enough and then put the headphones in. Annoying. My wife also brought Lightning headphones, which didn't work with anything except her phone, leading to her using the cheap airline ear buds for the in flight entertainment system.
      - Mtinie 8y ago
        Alternatively you can pick up a dual-port adapter and charge while you listen: For example, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E5AHZYA https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E5AHZYA
  - konart 8y ago
    >but I imagine that I would just leave the adapter on them 24/7? Except people often use same headphone with both - phone and pc, so you will have to remove the adapter anyway.
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AmericanChopper 8y ago

>Wireless headphones are at a fundamental disadvantage in that they have less battery capacity than a phone. I’ve been using a pair of beats for over a year now, and have never run out of batteries with them, even on multi-leg long haul flights. I use them constantly, and almost exclusively charge them when I have to go to a meeting, which doesn’t usually happen more than once a day. I used AirPods before then and their battery life was even better.