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I am happy to discuss with anyone who downvotes as to why they disagree with me. My comment may be tangental but is completely relevant to the discussion and re

by S_A_P 8y ago

I am happy to discuss with anyone who downvotes as to why they disagree with me. My comment may be tangental but is completely relevant to the discussion and reinforces points made in the article.

PhasmaFelis 8y ago
There's a few people on HN who seem to have a weirdly emotional affection for the iPhone's lack-of-headphone-jack. One guy argued that it was all worth it because it reduces dust infiltration, another because it makes it more water-resistant. (Yeah.) I can see why someone who's never used wired earbuds wouldn't care one way or another, but I really don't understand this sort of attachment.
- arvinsim 8y ago
  It's as if the presence of the headphone jack offends them. Like, what significant negative does having a headphone jack have?
  - elp 8y ago
    A more cynical person than me would suggest that its almost like some of them are being paid.
    - rusk 8y ago
      Careful now - that's the kind of sentiment that gets you flagged!
- Izkata 8y ago
  > another because it makes it more water-resistant. This, at least, doesn't hold at all. My last flip-phone [0] was water-resistant and still had a headphone jack - it just had a rubber cover you had to pull up to reveal it. The charging port was also protected by the same cover. [0] https://www.cnet.com/reviews/samsung-rugby-sgh-a837-review/ https://www.cnet.com/reviews/samsung-rugby-sgh-a837-review/
  - ggg9990 8y ago
    I like my headphone jack but I’d rather have none than one of those janky condoms.
    - SSLy 8y ago
      My Samsung Galaxy S9 has a IP68 rating (it's water-resistant) and has a mini jack port.
ddingus 8y ago
I agree completely. Digital video had advantages. Despite those, analog still makes some sense, if nothing but fewer resources being needed. Outside some niche uses, digital video really does make general sense. I hear and often agree with analog arguments. I keep analog gear, and in my own hardware projects will stay analog, perhaps also having digital, depending. But, overall? People largely benefit more from digital video, and with the loss of the CRT, adoption makes sense. Digital only gear makes sense. I have no concerns and can easily use an analog adapter in a pinch. With audio, it is inverted! A few niche uses benefit, most do not. They are equal or very modest gain at best. Video gear seems to age out more quickly too. Increases in resolution drive all that, and analog limits do too. Above HDTV 1920x1080, analog has real issues. Analog audio does not have those dynamics. There is no analog cliff to drive digital gear. Great stuff from the 70's remains entirely relevant. It always will. Ears are just not like eyes. I will never, ever buy something that only delivers audio digitally.
- S_A_P 8y ago
  I think you are onto something here. DRM is probably a driver here. if you have an analog signal, you can "pirate"...
  - ddingus 8y ago
    Sadly, that will remain true digitally too. It is just not hard to tap the signal. I think you are right about the DRM. It will prove to be a waste of time. Audio is too easy. Seriously. Heck, I can make something to just write the stream to a file, and doing that is not hard. Costs less than a CD.
    - rusk 8y ago
      > Heck, I can make something to just write the stream to a file Not so easy if the analog signal only emerges at the earpiece ...
      - lloeki 8y ago
ggg9990 8y ago
Unsolicited tip: cultivate some misanthropy so that you can relish downvotes.
- dclowd9901 8y ago
  That deliciousness of righteousness against hatred.
bjoli 8y ago
Try the same kind of comment in the apple support forums and you'll see what kind of mentality die hard apple fans have. The amount of "your opinions are wrong because apple is perfect" is staggering. I went online to get some help with what was revealed to be the infamous touch-ic issues, and I was told off in so many ways ("that's an old model, you should really get the new one", "if you get flexion based damage, you are using your phone wrong", "wow, another bend-gater. Stop bending your damn phone!"). This was after internal apple documents showed that they were aware of flexion damage before the phone was released to market.

by S_A_P 8y ago

I am happy to discuss with anyone who downvotes as to why they disagree with me. My comment may be tangental but is completely relevant to the discussion and reinforces points made in the article.

PhasmaFelis 8y ago

There's a few people on HN who seem to have a weirdly emotional affection for the iPhone's lack-of-headphone-jack. One guy argued that it was all worth it because it reduces dust infiltration, another because it makes it more water-resistant. (Yeah.) I can see why someone who's never used wired earbuds wouldn't care one way or another, but I really don't understand this sort of attachment.

arvinsim 8y ago
It's as if the presence of the headphone jack offends them. Like, what significant negative does having a headphone jack have?
- elp 8y ago
  A more cynical person than me would suggest that its almost like some of them are being paid.
  - rusk 8y ago
    Careful now - that's the kind of sentiment that gets you flagged!
Izkata 8y ago
> another because it makes it more water-resistant. This, at least, doesn't hold at all. My last flip-phone [0] was water-resistant and still had a headphone jack - it just had a rubber cover you had to pull up to reveal it. The charging port was also protected by the same cover. [0] https://www.cnet.com/reviews/samsung-rugby-sgh-a837-review/ https://www.cnet.com/reviews/samsung-rugby-sgh-a837-review/
- ggg9990 8y ago
  I like my headphone jack but I’d rather have none than one of those janky condoms.
  - SSLy 8y ago
    My Samsung Galaxy S9 has a IP68 rating (it's water-resistant) and has a mini jack port.

ddingus 8y ago

I agree completely. Digital video had advantages. Despite those, analog still makes some sense, if nothing but fewer resources being needed. Outside some niche uses, digital video really does make general sense. I hear and often agree with analog arguments. I keep analog gear, and in my own hardware projects will stay analog, perhaps also having digital, depending. But, overall? People largely benefit more from digital video, and with the loss of the CRT, adoption makes sense. Digital only gear makes sense. I have no concerns and can easily use an analog adapter in a pinch. With audio, it is inverted! A few niche uses benefit, most do not. They are equal or very modest gain at best. Video gear seems to age out more quickly too. Increases in resolution drive all that, and analog limits do too. Above HDTV 1920x1080, analog has real issues. Analog audio does not have those dynamics. There is no analog cliff to drive digital gear. Great stuff from the 70's remains entirely relevant. It always will. Ears are just not like eyes. I will never, ever buy something that only delivers audio digitally.

S_A_P 8y ago
I think you are onto something here. DRM is probably a driver here. if you have an analog signal, you can "pirate"...
- ddingus 8y ago
  Sadly, that will remain true digitally too. It is just not hard to tap the signal. I think you are right about the DRM. It will prove to be a waste of time. Audio is too easy. Seriously. Heck, I can make something to just write the stream to a file, and doing that is not hard. Costs less than a CD.
  - rusk 8y ago
    > Heck, I can make something to just write the stream to a file Not so easy if the analog signal only emerges at the earpiece ...
    - lloeki 8y ago

ggg9990 8y ago

Unsolicited tip: cultivate some misanthropy so that you can relish downvotes.

dclowd9901 8y ago
That deliciousness of righteousness against hatred.

bjoli 8y ago

Try the same kind of comment in the apple support forums and you'll see what kind of mentality die hard apple fans have. The amount of "your opinions are wrong because apple is perfect" is staggering. I went online to get some help with what was revealed to be the infamous touch-ic issues, and I was told off in so many ways ("that's an old model, you should really get the new one", "if you get flexion based damage, you are using your phone wrong", "wow, another bend-gater. Stop bending your damn phone!"). This was after internal apple documents showed that they were aware of flexion damage before the phone was released to market.