yeah, I recently left a job in which a third of the group was sys admins, there was no 'dev system' to test applications on, and I was not allowed to touch any

yeah, I recently left a job in which a third of the group was sys admins, there was no 'dev system' to test applications on, and I was not allowed to touch any of the data systems, despite developing applications for our clients that worked on that data, go figure. A colleague of mine at a previous employer would refer to this as 'self imposed denial of service' ...