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Doesn’t Google captcha leverage free labor to train ai? Every time I get one of their picture puzzles (click on all the pictures with cars, stores, mountains,e

Doesn’t Google captcha leverage free labor to train ai? Every time I get one of their picture puzzles (click on all the pictures with cars, stores, mountains,etc...)I get about 2 wrong every time on purpose. Even government services like business searches in the state of Delaware, I constantly conclude, I’m being forced to train Google’s self driving cars, so I figure I’ll do the only thing in my power as a protest (unfortunately I can’t boycott the government systems). I purposely leave one or two unclicked and click a false. I have often wondered how my behavior is classified and if at scale it would have any impact. My reasoning may be misguided and I’m sure impact nil, but it serves as a reminder to think about these systems, the things I do and why I do them. I also do similar things with chatbots, and sometimes I’ll add “thanks yous” and really try to interact genuinely, as though I don’t know I’m talking to a bot. I like to think the chatbot devs are somewhere highfiving putting screenshots of my chat in their slide decks.

b_tterc_p 8y ago
You would be better served clicking on ads and to punish their metrics if you must oppose google in some way. Self driving car data is important, will save lives, and might reasonably enter the public domain some day.
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jake_the_third 8y ago
> I get about 2 wrong every time on purpose. I do the same, but actually get google to accept bad data as good. The trick is to get the system to trust you (e.g. by supplying one honest answer), then selecting answers that the system is likely to be unsure about. If done correctly, you can get them to accept a lot of bad input this way. Like you, I am under no illusion that this will have some sort of effect on the correctness of the resulting ML models, but I like to think that I am at least delaying or otherwise decreasing the training rate. Have google adopted stackoverflow's model of making the result of our unpayed work available to us, I would have answered these challenges honestly.
- will_brown 8y ago
  >but actually get google to accept bad data as good. I should have been clearer, I purposely get them wrong and Google accepts the bad data for me too.
scarejunba 8y ago
When Recaptcha did the book digitizing thing and 4chan tried a coordinated effort to have random words characterized 'penis', the Recaptcha guys said they were a drop in the bucket and didn't affect the accuracy of the system. The effect is probably expressed by this meme: https://makeameme.org/meme/anarchy https://makeameme.org/meme/anarchy

b_tterc_p 8y ago

You would be better served clicking on ads and to punish their metrics if you must oppose google in some way. Self driving car data is important, will save lives, and might reasonably enter the public domain some day.

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jake_the_third 8y ago

> I get about 2 wrong every time on purpose. I do the same, but actually get google to accept bad data as good. The trick is to get the system to trust you (e.g. by supplying one honest answer), then selecting answers that the system is likely to be unsure about. If done correctly, you can get them to accept a lot of bad input this way. Like you, I am under no illusion that this will have some sort of effect on the correctness of the resulting ML models, but I like to think that I am at least delaying or otherwise decreasing the training rate. Have google adopted stackoverflow's model of making the result of our unpayed work available to us, I would have answered these challenges honestly.

will_brown 8y ago
>but actually get google to accept bad data as good. I should have been clearer, I purposely get them wrong and Google accepts the bad data for me too.

scarejunba 8y ago

When Recaptcha did the book digitizing thing and 4chan tried a coordinated effort to have random words characterized 'penis', the Recaptcha guys said they were a drop in the bucket and didn't affect the accuracy of the system. The effect is probably expressed by this meme: https://makeameme.org/meme/anarchy https://makeameme.org/meme/anarchy