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Completely missing the point. Of course calorie reduction works as long as it is followed. But people have a very strong desire to regularly eat their fill. Wit

by cnahr 8y ago

Completely missing the point. Of course calorie reduction works as long as it is followed. But people have a very strong desire to regularly eat their fill. With intermittent fasting this is part of the diet by design. With daily calorie restriction it’s impossible. Compliance with daily calorie restriction always lapses over time for this reason, so people return to their former fatness. Intermittent fasting is possible to maintain for the rest of your life, daily calorie restriction usually is not.

hondo77 8y ago
> With daily calorie restriction it’s impossible. May be impossible for you. Doesn't mean it's impossible for, say, me (and it, demonstrably, isn't).
- wnissen 8y ago
  90% fail within a year. That's not even really long term yet. I think the 5-year numbers are 95%. Depends on your definition of impossible, but...
  - NikolaeVarius 8y ago
    That's not impossible. That's just people have terrible willpower
    - SpikeDad 8y ago
      And this is why dietary science fails often. Because of the insistence that dieting is a matter of willpower whatever that means. Lots of real research needs to be done on why people eat unhealthy even though logically they know it's bad for them. And unless you're someone who's lots a significant amount of weight, changed your eating habits over a long time person and have maintained that you don't really have any standing to make such statements.
      - NikolaeVarius 8y ago
        I've lost over 120 pounds (290-170) over the course of 1.5 years simply by intermittent fasting. I changed nothing about what I ate, just ate less of it. I still get cravings. But I control myself. I think I have plenty of standing. When I was fat, I had no willpower and ate constantly. Now, its all about controlling myself.
        gremlinsinc 8y ago
        that's pretty amazing... I've been trying to do IF but got off it for a few weeks... I also do keto on top of that though... I've lost 65 pounds since September, but that puts me at 450, my goal is 50 more by the end of January when my 2nd child is born and to be under 400.... (first time since before I was 15 - I'm 39 now). My highest weight was 690, I had VSG surgery, so it's a little easier once I get into keto to keep going, as long as I don't stray into sugar land I don't usually have desire for food... I can easily eat 500 calories/day when intermittent fasting and feel like that's plenty... I've also been doing Crossfit 3-4 times per week. I like IF because I only have to prepare one meal, and forget about food the rest of the day and just worry about my workout, and my day job.
        Omnius 8y ago
        You are only eating 500 calories a day? That seems really low but i am not an expert.
        gremlinsinc 8y ago
        I was for a couple weeks... I had no hunger... had to add protein drinks during the day to get my protein in (at least 60g/daily). I'm trying to get back into it..lately.. I've been just trying to eat between 2/8 and not really care what I eat just try small portions and only till I'm 3/4th full. Sunday, I started keto again though... and hopefully my appetite diminishes again... got a little lax around my birthday/thanksgiving.
    - TheCoelacanth 8y ago
      Appealing to "willpower" to cut off further inquiry is basically the equivalent of saying that disease is caused by evil spirits. Until you can explain the mechanism that causes some people to comply with a diet plan and some people to not comply with the same diet plan, or that causes a person to comply with one diet plan but not another diet plan, you don't actually understand the phenomenon.
    - mtgx 8y ago
      Which is irrelevant. We need to look for sustainable ways to lose weight.
  - P_I_Staker 8y ago
    Do they have numbers for intermittent fasting? These numbers seem very similar to other ingrained habits, and are kinda depressing. Honestly, it makes me doubt the effectiveness of willpower in general.
Passthepeas 8y ago
In addition to this, some studies have shown intermittent fasting increases muscle mass (or in some cases, has less muscle loss than other diets), focusing on weight instead of BMI (or some other measure of body fat %) is a huuuge mistake. If a person gains 10 pounds of muscle but loses only 5 pounds of fat, it could be spun as a bad thing if you only focus on weight.
P_I_Staker 8y ago
This is arguably not a good idea, and feeds bad habits. If you restrict your calories for a while (say 1-6 weeks), your appetite and hunger will adjust. Once you get used to it, you might be surprised how little you need to stay full. This is healthy. People lapse because of unhealthy cultural habits to binge. IF is basically a harm reduction strategy around that. You could argue that the best idea is to abstain, and rarely overeat.

by cnahr 8y ago

hondo77 8y ago

> With daily calorie restriction it’s impossible. May be impossible for you. Doesn't mean it's impossible for, say, me (and it, demonstrably, isn't).

wnissen 8y ago
90% fail within a year. That's not even really long term yet. I think the 5-year numbers are 95%. Depends on your definition of impossible, but...
- NikolaeVarius 8y ago
  That's not impossible. That's just people have terrible willpower
  - SpikeDad 8y ago
    And this is why dietary science fails often. Because of the insistence that dieting is a matter of willpower whatever that means. Lots of real research needs to be done on why people eat unhealthy even though logically they know it's bad for them. And unless you're someone who's lots a significant amount of weight, changed your eating habits over a long time person and have maintained that you don't really have any standing to make such statements.
    - NikolaeVarius 8y ago
      I've lost over 120 pounds (290-170) over the course of 1.5 years simply by intermittent fasting. I changed nothing about what I ate, just ate less of it. I still get cravings. But I control myself. I think I have plenty of standing. When I was fat, I had no willpower and ate constantly. Now, its all about controlling myself.
      - gremlinsinc 8y ago
        that's pretty amazing... I've been trying to do IF but got off it for a few weeks... I also do keto on top of that though... I've lost 65 pounds since September, but that puts me at 450, my goal is 50 more by the end of January when my 2nd child is born and to be under 400.... (first time since before I was 15 - I'm 39 now). My highest weight was 690, I had VSG surgery, so it's a little easier once I get into keto to keep going, as long as I don't stray into sugar land I don't usually have desire for food... I can easily eat 500 calories/day when intermittent fasting and feel like that's plenty... I've also been doing Crossfit 3-4 times per week. I like IF because I only have to prepare one meal, and forget about food the rest of the day and just worry about my workout, and my day job.
        Omnius 8y ago
        You are only eating 500 calories a day? That seems really low but i am not an expert.
        gremlinsinc 8y ago
        I was for a couple weeks... I had no hunger... had to add protein drinks during the day to get my protein in (at least 60g/daily). I'm trying to get back into it..lately.. I've been just trying to eat between 2/8 and not really care what I eat just try small portions and only till I'm 3/4th full. Sunday, I started keto again though... and hopefully my appetite diminishes again... got a little lax around my birthday/thanksgiving.
  - TheCoelacanth 8y ago
    Appealing to "willpower" to cut off further inquiry is basically the equivalent of saying that disease is caused by evil spirits. Until you can explain the mechanism that causes some people to comply with a diet plan and some people to not comply with the same diet plan, or that causes a person to comply with one diet plan but not another diet plan, you don't actually understand the phenomenon.
  - mtgx 8y ago
    Which is irrelevant. We need to look for sustainable ways to lose weight.
- P_I_Staker 8y ago
  Do they have numbers for intermittent fasting? These numbers seem very similar to other ingrained habits, and are kinda depressing. Honestly, it makes me doubt the effectiveness of willpower in general.

Passthepeas 8y ago

In addition to this, some studies have shown intermittent fasting increases muscle mass (or in some cases, has less muscle loss than other diets), focusing on weight instead of BMI (or some other measure of body fat %) is a huuuge mistake. If a person gains 10 pounds of muscle but loses only 5 pounds of fat, it could be spun as a bad thing if you only focus on weight.

P_I_Staker 8y ago

This is arguably not a good idea, and feeds bad habits. If you restrict your calories for a while (say 1-6 weeks), your appetite and hunger will adjust. Once you get used to it, you might be surprised how little you need to stay full. This is healthy. People lapse because of unhealthy cultural habits to binge. IF is basically a harm reduction strategy around that. You could argue that the best idea is to abstain, and rarely overeat.