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I am a little shocked that the market hasn't woken up to the problems that Apple has. Consider all the people you know well. How many have switched from Andro

by btilly 8y ago

I am a little shocked that the market hasn't woken up to the problems that Apple has. Consider all the people you know well. How many have switched from Android to OS X in the last 5 years? How many have switched from OS X to Android in the last 5 years? In my household, 2 switched to Android, 0 switched the other way. In my broader network I'm aware of several more switching to Android, none switching back. There is a good reason for that. An iPhone with equivalent specs to an Android costs 2x as much. The user experience isn't that much better. (Many people who switch say that the Apple experience was actually worse.) The cheapest phone that Apple wants to sell you is an XS for about $1000. You can get a top of the line Android for less than that - with specs that beat the best model that Apple has. So Apple is fighting a rearguard action - squeeze the most profit that it can out of a clientele that is slowly disappearing on them. In this world, they can't afford defects. So what happens? I personally have an iPhone X because my sister gave it to me as a present. This month the display became non-responsive (that's the bug that has Apple's stock falling). They fixed that after most of a week without a phone. I've now got it randomly deciding that Face ID no longer works, the volume randomly going between off and on, and it recharges when it feels like it wants to. I've got to wait most of a week for them to fix THAT as well. (Have you ever had your phone decide to dial its volume to 0 in the middle of a phone call or listening to a book on your commute? Yeah, it sucks just as much as you would guess.) In the meantime I'm looking at my wife's phone with a growing amount of envy. When Apple stops being willing to fix their phone under warranty, what do you think I'll replace it with?

diogenescynic 8y ago
>Consider all the people you know well. How many have switched from Android to OS X in the last 5 years? How many have switched from OS X to Android in the last 5 years? In my household, 2 switched to Android, 0 switched the other way. In my broader network I'm aware of several more switching to Android, none switching back. Anecdotes are worthless because one anecdote counters another. I don't know anyone who has converted from Apple to Android, but I know several who've left Android for Apple. However, since we're both only throwing out our anecdotal experience and not data, there's not much of a conclusion we can draw from it.
stouset 8y ago
I don’t understand how yours is the top comment. The cheapest iPhone currently available is the iPhone 7, which you can purchase right from their store. It’s $449. Their cheapest current-gen phone is the iPhone XR, which retails for $749, 75% of your claimed $1,000 price. On top of this, iPhones handily trounce equivalent-generation Android phones in hardware performance, so it’s difficult to see how you can so confidently assert that Android phones are cheaper for the performance you get. The Pixel 2 XL and Galaxy Note 8 are still absolutely shamed performance-wise by the iPhone 8.
penagwin 8y ago
I'd disagree, I work in phone repair and have an iPhone 7+. Apples cheapest phone isn't 1000$ it's 450$ for an iPhone 7. Which IMO is fast enough given the tiny incremental improvements of the 8, etc. I'd say iPhones last far longer then most (not all!) android devices. My mom still uses a 5S. It still gets security updates (and feature updates and optimizations!) how many android devices can say that? Even Google's nexus series can't say that anymore. That said the 6 and 6p have been dying a lot recently from cellular/wifi issues or some other weird things - things we can't replace or fix (sadly our store is unequiped to do motherboard level repairs, but IMO only 2 employees would even have a chance at attempting something like that). I think this comes back to the bending issue they had. iPhone 6 phones are still aplenty in the wild though.
- btilly 8y ago
  I said "that they want you to buy". The ones that they want you to buy are listed at https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/ https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/. Go there and look at the phones that they list. Can you find the cheaper phone? Yes. Its specs don't compare to the https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/phones/galaxy-s/galaxy-s8-64gb--unlocked--sm-g950uzkaxaa/?cid=us_pla_google-8875160598-cam=US_IMECOM_PLA_Buy_MobilePhones&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIt8KD6eXy3gIVD1mGCh3eeQijEAQYAiABEgJ93_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/phones/galaxy-s/galaxy-s8-... for the same price. As for iPhones lasting longer, it certainly used to be true. I went out of my way to buy Apple products for close to 20 years, in large part because of the reliability that they gave. However reliability of Apple devices seems like it has gone downhill in the last few years. Look at https://ifixit.org/blog/10229/macbook-pro-keyboard/ https://ifixit.org/blog/10229/macbook-pro-keyboard/ for example. My anecdotal experience fits. In the last 5 years I personally bought 3 new phones. One died 3 days out of warranty, one is the phone I described above, and the other is still being used by my son. My wife switched after her phone had reliability problems, and my step-son's switch came after his phone just died.
pgoggijr 8y ago
This is purely anecdotal - I have noticed the opposite trend in my circle of friends and family The cheapest iphone that apple sells is certainly not an XS for $1000, the cheapest phone on their website is a cool $449: https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-7 https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-7 The problems I faced with my many android phones dwarf the amount of problems I've had with the two iPhones that I've owned (7 Plus + XS) It's important to understand that these kind of experiences are anecdotal and have a history of being over-reported by tech news media (think "bendgate" and "squeezegate")
Humdeee 8y ago
> This month the display became non-responsive (that's the bug that has Apple's stock falling). This is not why Apple's stock is falling at all... it was forecasted that future production rates were expected to be lower than expected. Manufacturing suppliers were also affected by this. Not from some bug.

by btilly 8y ago

diogenescynic 8y ago

>Consider all the people you know well. How many have switched from Android to OS X in the last 5 years? How many have switched from OS X to Android in the last 5 years? In my household, 2 switched to Android, 0 switched the other way. In my broader network I'm aware of several more switching to Android, none switching back. Anecdotes are worthless because one anecdote counters another. I don't know anyone who has converted from Apple to Android, but I know several who've left Android for Apple. However, since we're both only throwing out our anecdotal experience and not data, there's not much of a conclusion we can draw from it.

stouset 8y ago

I don’t understand how yours is the top comment. The cheapest iPhone currently available is the iPhone 7, which you can purchase right from their store. It’s $449. Their cheapest current-gen phone is the iPhone XR, which retails for $749, 75% of your claimed $1,000 price. On top of this, iPhones handily trounce equivalent-generation Android phones in hardware performance, so it’s difficult to see how you can so confidently assert that Android phones are cheaper for the performance you get. The Pixel 2 XL and Galaxy Note 8 are still absolutely shamed performance-wise by the iPhone 8.

penagwin 8y ago

I'd disagree, I work in phone repair and have an iPhone 7+. Apples cheapest phone isn't 1000$ it's 450$ for an iPhone 7. Which IMO is fast enough given the tiny incremental improvements of the 8, etc. I'd say iPhones last far longer then most (not all!) android devices. My mom still uses a 5S. It still gets security updates (and feature updates and optimizations!) how many android devices can say that? Even Google's nexus series can't say that anymore. That said the 6 and 6p have been dying a lot recently from cellular/wifi issues or some other weird things - things we can't replace or fix (sadly our store is unequiped to do motherboard level repairs, but IMO only 2 employees would even have a chance at attempting something like that). I think this comes back to the bending issue they had. iPhone 6 phones are still aplenty in the wild though.

btilly 8y ago
I said "that they want you to buy". The ones that they want you to buy are listed at https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/ https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/. Go there and look at the phones that they list. Can you find the cheaper phone? Yes. Its specs don't compare to the https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/phones/galaxy-s/galaxy-s8-64gb--unlocked--sm-g950uzkaxaa/?cid=us_pla_google-8875160598-cam=US_IMECOM_PLA_Buy_MobilePhones&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIt8KD6eXy3gIVD1mGCh3eeQijEAQYAiABEgJ93_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/phones/galaxy-s/galaxy-s8-... for the same price. As for iPhones lasting longer, it certainly used to be true. I went out of my way to buy Apple products for close to 20 years, in large part because of the reliability that they gave. However reliability of Apple devices seems like it has gone downhill in the last few years. Look at https://ifixit.org/blog/10229/macbook-pro-keyboard/ https://ifixit.org/blog/10229/macbook-pro-keyboard/ for example. My anecdotal experience fits. In the last 5 years I personally bought 3 new phones. One died 3 days out of warranty, one is the phone I described above, and the other is still being used by my son. My wife switched after her phone had reliability problems, and my step-son's switch came after his phone just died.

pgoggijr 8y ago

This is purely anecdotal - I have noticed the opposite trend in my circle of friends and family The cheapest iphone that apple sells is certainly not an XS for $1000, the cheapest phone on their website is a cool $449: https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-7 https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-7 The problems I faced with my many android phones dwarf the amount of problems I've had with the two iPhones that I've owned (7 Plus + XS) It's important to understand that these kind of experiences are anecdotal and have a history of being over-reported by tech news media (think "bendgate" and "squeezegate")

Humdeee 8y ago

> This month the display became non-responsive (that's the bug that has Apple's stock falling). This is not why Apple's stock is falling at all... it was forecasted that future production rates were expected to be lower than expected. Manufacturing suppliers were also affected by this. Not from some bug.