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I do not fully understand your point. If you have free software on your phone you can do anything, including protect yourself from a neighbour/partner. All it t

by fghtr 8y ago

I do not fully understand your point. If you have free software on your phone you can do anything, including protect yourself from a neighbour/partner. All it takes is to find the software and install it. If your phone supports GNU/Linux, it's surely a solved problem. Apple creates a walled garden, where they decide what you can and cannot run on "your" device. Even if such devices are useful in specific circumstances, the problem of freedom is still there.

natch 8y ago
It’s not so much that you as a HN user and presumably very computer literate person can protect your own device. It’s more about others who are not like you, and what an evil version of you can install on their devices while tricking them to think there is no problem. If the phone owner is not knowledgeable about the dangers, they should not be required to become a security expert and download special apps in order to deserve protection from those who would install privacy invading apps on their devices.
- fghtr 8y ago
  Let me remind you that the original question was "What exactly is their issue with Apple?" and the answer was "The lack of freedom". Now, it seems you are trying to argue that not computer literate people need a single chef (Apple) to tell them what to do and what not to do with their devices. Let me explain to you that freedom, which Apple devices lack, would allow such people to choose, whom they trust, increasing the competition and improving the market situation. For example, you go to a repair shop you trust and ask them to install any operating system they think is reasonable. It also concerns physical repairs. Apple more and more prohibits independent repairs. Even if Apple is solving "big problems" as you claim, the answer given is still legit. There are people who need freedom and Apple goes against it in many ways. And it is not always possible to switch to other vendors, see "Vendor lock-in" in Wikipedia. tl;dr: You do not have to be computer literate person to benefit from such freedom.
  - natch 8y ago
    Sure, but there are tradeoffs that must be dealt with.

by fghtr 8y ago

natch 8y ago

It’s not so much that you as a HN user and presumably very computer literate person can protect your own device. It’s more about others who are not like you, and what an evil version of you can install on their devices while tricking them to think there is no problem. If the phone owner is not knowledgeable about the dangers, they should not be required to become a security expert and download special apps in order to deserve protection from those who would install privacy invading apps on their devices.

fghtr 8y ago
Let me remind you that the original question was "What exactly is their issue with Apple?" and the answer was "The lack of freedom". Now, it seems you are trying to argue that not computer literate people need a single chef (Apple) to tell them what to do and what not to do with their devices. Let me explain to you that freedom, which Apple devices lack, would allow such people to choose, whom they trust, increasing the competition and improving the market situation. For example, you go to a repair shop you trust and ask them to install any operating system they think is reasonable. It also concerns physical repairs. Apple more and more prohibits independent repairs. Even if Apple is solving "big problems" as you claim, the answer given is still legit. There are people who need freedom and Apple goes against it in many ways. And it is not always possible to switch to other vendors, see "Vendor lock-in" in Wikipedia. tl;dr: You do not have to be computer literate person to benefit from such freedom.
- natch 8y ago
  Sure, but there are tradeoffs that must be dealt with.