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most companies dont ever reach billion dollar evaluations. say they get sold for a reasonable $100M after 4 years. my 1% stake as a founding engineer should gro

most companies dont ever reach billion dollar evaluations. say they get sold for a reasonable $100M after 4 years. my 1% stake as a founding engineer should gross me $1M (house money). but since there were 3 rounds I generally end up with car money. I've been through this several times, and ended up with car money or nothing, and I dont think I'm alone. a warning to fresh grads that they may not end up retiring after spending years of putting in time and a half seems in order.

ryanmercer 8y ago
> should gross me $1M (house money). That's more than my FIRE number haha, real estate in the Bay Area is so silly.
wayne_skylar 8y ago
This is a great point. I think that on average you're unlikely to recoup the difference in wages in the event that the company is sold. I worked for a startup for four years and got nothing.
- balls187 8y ago
  This is far more likely scenario. To counter this perspective, usually founders take FAR less salary if at all.
jartelt 8y ago
But without those 3 rounds, your company likely wouldn't have gotten to the $100M valuation. Sure, if you can get a company to a $1B exit without raising any funding and avoiding any dilution, that is the best case. But, in reality most companies need to raise capital to grow. You accept dilution because the value of your shares should go up assuming the company is executing well and putting the capital to go use (i.e. increasing the company value). If the value of your stake goes down, you shouldn't just blame dilution. You should blame the company for performing poorly.
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- zacharycohn 8y ago
  Right, but consider if OP's other option was a Google/Amazon/Apple with total compensation at $250k a year. They could have worked in a stable environment with guaranteed $1M in compensation after 4 years, vs unstable and very demanding job with a low likelyhood of $1M total compensation over the same time horizon.
  - jartelt 8y ago
    Sure, but that is a separate argument. I agree that working at Google/Amazon/Apple probably gives most people the best income over time. The point is that if you work at startups dilution is not your enemy. Early Uber employees got diluted like crazy, but they will probably do well when they cash out (or already did in secondary offers).

ryanmercer 8y ago

> should gross me $1M (house money). That's more than my FIRE number haha, real estate in the Bay Area is so silly.

wayne_skylar 8y ago

This is a great point. I think that on average you're unlikely to recoup the difference in wages in the event that the company is sold. I worked for a startup for four years and got nothing.

balls187 8y ago
This is far more likely scenario. To counter this perspective, usually founders take FAR less salary if at all.

jartelt 8y ago

But without those 3 rounds, your company likely wouldn't have gotten to the $100M valuation. Sure, if you can get a company to a $1B exit without raising any funding and avoiding any dilution, that is the best case. But, in reality most companies need to raise capital to grow. You accept dilution because the value of your shares should go up assuming the company is executing well and putting the capital to go use (i.e. increasing the company value). If the value of your stake goes down, you shouldn't just blame dilution. You should blame the company for performing poorly.

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zacharycohn 8y ago
Right, but consider if OP's other option was a Google/Amazon/Apple with total compensation at $250k a year. They could have worked in a stable environment with guaranteed $1M in compensation after 4 years, vs unstable and very demanding job with a low likelyhood of $1M total compensation over the same time horizon.
- jartelt 8y ago
  Sure, but that is a separate argument. I agree that working at Google/Amazon/Apple probably gives most people the best income over time. The point is that if you work at startups dilution is not your enemy. Early Uber employees got diluted like crazy, but they will probably do well when they cash out (or already did in secondary offers).