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err... are you implying that there are no alternatives in the market to 3D TVs and bent TVs? As far as I know 3D TVs have basically gone out of market[1] becaus

err... are you implying that there are no alternatives in the market to 3D TVs and bent TVs? As far as I know 3D TVs have basically gone out of market[1] because no one bought them. It is actually the exact opposite of what you suggested - they could not start a trend, even thought they tried to force it on people, because there was no demand for it. [1]-https://www.cnet.com/news/shambling-corpse-of-3d-tv-finally-falls-down-dead/ https://www.cnet.com/news/shambling-corpse-of-3d-tv-finally-...

alehul 8y ago
Seconding this. The markets aren't spectacularly and miraculously efficient, but they're efficient enough that products without demand will not last, with the exception of industry-wide collusion to remove the consumer-preferred option from the market. Game theory says the existence of a wanted-but-not-provided product probably won't last, however. And regardless of continuous cooperation of the participating suppliers, there can always be a new entrant. Anecdotal on the TV point, but I recently purchased a new TV... no bend, no 3D (didn't even see that as an option), no hassle. :)
tjoff 8y ago
No? I'm saying that there were no alternatives during the hype. They didn't try to start a trend. They tried to make something up to warrant a new purchase.
setr 8y ago
For about 5 years, any tv you found in an electronic store was 3D, and I have yet to find a single person who claims to like them. Today, every tv is a Smart TV, and yet again, I haven’t found anyone who thought they weren’t awful In cars theres the same issue with GPS systems: even luxury cars have awful interfaces. Presumably tesla’s is decent (never tried), but otherwise the only interface I’ve encountered yet that met the minimum requirement of a sensible response time (let alone everything else) is a luxury jeep. Mercedes, priuses, bmws, etc are all horrendous. In phones, the aux ports and phablets On the web, heavy js In games, complex 3D graphics (this is very slowly changing, as indie devs begin to realize games existed between 1980 and 2000) This type of event, where the producers collectively decide what the consumers want, and only produce it, and miss the mark by a mile, definetely exist (these are just things I’m irrated by recently), though I assume incompetence and babdwaggoning over any kind of real thinking going into this. (They didn’t try to force a trend, they just all thought it was the trend, due to whatever terrible research they all do; hell, I’d bet there was one or two marketing firms that were the root cause of most of these messes)
- ghaff 8y ago
  >I have yet to find a single person who claims to like them I like 3D well enough at least for the occasional novelty and film that uses it well, e.g. Gravity. There is just about zero content available however. My impression when I bought my TV was that there were certainly non-3D options available. But I got a pre-Christmas deal and I paid about the same as for an equivalent TV that didn't have 3D. It's the same with Smart TVs. It doesn't really add to the cost of the TV. I just never use the features. I guess the latest trend is whatever resolution that's an additional increment beyond the limits of human vision. Or maybe OLED. I do understand that the TV manufacturers are really desperate to drive TV upgrade cycles. The good news is that the new features are mostly harmless if you need a new TV anyway.
  - OkGoDoIt 8y ago
    And the better news is that if you don’t actually care about these silly new features you can get amazingly great TVs for next to nothing. I saw a 46 inch 4K LED smart TV at Costco for around $300. It didn’t have HDR (the current trendy hotness in the top of the line TVs), so I guess it’s considered substandard, but holy crap that’s a great deal.
    - abakker 8y ago
      I have one of the Visio ones. Yes, good screen, but never let one of those things on your WiFi. Jeez.
  - mvid 8y ago
    Just because it doesn’t increase the cost of the base model doesn’t mean it doesn’t increase the price, just that you don’t have the option of not paying for it.
- a_t48 8y ago
  I genuinely love my Smart TV. Its nice having the TV know about every input option, and not having to fool around d with multiple remotes.

alehul 8y ago

Seconding this. The markets aren't spectacularly and miraculously efficient, but they're efficient enough that products without demand will not last, with the exception of industry-wide collusion to remove the consumer-preferred option from the market. Game theory says the existence of a wanted-but-not-provided product probably won't last, however. And regardless of continuous cooperation of the participating suppliers, there can always be a new entrant. Anecdotal on the TV point, but I recently purchased a new TV... no bend, no 3D (didn't even see that as an option), no hassle. :)

tjoff 8y ago

No? I'm saying that there were no alternatives during the hype. They didn't try to start a trend. They tried to make something up to warrant a new purchase.

setr 8y ago

For about 5 years, any tv you found in an electronic store was 3D, and I have yet to find a single person who claims to like them. Today, every tv is a Smart TV, and yet again, I haven’t found anyone who thought they weren’t awful In cars theres the same issue with GPS systems: even luxury cars have awful interfaces. Presumably tesla’s is decent (never tried), but otherwise the only interface I’ve encountered yet that met the minimum requirement of a sensible response time (let alone everything else) is a luxury jeep. Mercedes, priuses, bmws, etc are all horrendous. In phones, the aux ports and phablets On the web, heavy js In games, complex 3D graphics (this is very slowly changing, as indie devs begin to realize games existed between 1980 and 2000) This type of event, where the producers collectively decide what the consumers want, and only produce it, and miss the mark by a mile, definetely exist (these are just things I’m irrated by recently), though I assume incompetence and babdwaggoning over any kind of real thinking going into this. (They didn’t try to force a trend, they just all thought it was the trend, due to whatever terrible research they all do; hell, I’d bet there was one or two marketing firms that were the root cause of most of these messes)

ghaff 8y ago
>I have yet to find a single person who claims to like them I like 3D well enough at least for the occasional novelty and film that uses it well, e.g. Gravity. There is just about zero content available however. My impression when I bought my TV was that there were certainly non-3D options available. But I got a pre-Christmas deal and I paid about the same as for an equivalent TV that didn't have 3D. It's the same with Smart TVs. It doesn't really add to the cost of the TV. I just never use the features. I guess the latest trend is whatever resolution that's an additional increment beyond the limits of human vision. Or maybe OLED. I do understand that the TV manufacturers are really desperate to drive TV upgrade cycles. The good news is that the new features are mostly harmless if you need a new TV anyway.
- OkGoDoIt 8y ago
  And the better news is that if you don’t actually care about these silly new features you can get amazingly great TVs for next to nothing. I saw a 46 inch 4K LED smart TV at Costco for around $300. It didn’t have HDR (the current trendy hotness in the top of the line TVs), so I guess it’s considered substandard, but holy crap that’s a great deal.
  - abakker 8y ago
    I have one of the Visio ones. Yes, good screen, but never let one of those things on your WiFi. Jeez.
- mvid 8y ago
  Just because it doesn’t increase the cost of the base model doesn’t mean it doesn’t increase the price, just that you don’t have the option of not paying for it.
a_t48 8y ago
I genuinely love my Smart TV. Its nice having the TV know about every input option, and not having to fool around d with multiple remotes.