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So why isn't everyone using it then?

by salvar 8y ago

Sir_Cmpwn 8y ago
Do you really need this answered? Because their computer comes with Windows pre-installed.
- salvar 8y ago
  Yes, I really do. Why don't more computers come with Linux pre-installed? If Linux is such a great replacement for Windows, why has it made very little gains in replacing Windows? Is it all somebody else's fault and has nothing to do with the usability of Linux?
  - Sir_Cmpwn 8y ago
    Because money = influence. Linux has none and Microsoft has lots. It's really that simple.
    - salvar 8y ago
      I'll have to disagree with that. Linux has significant usability problems, and pretending that it has none is not going to help anyone.
      - Sir_Cmpwn 8y ago
        Enumerate some of them?
        salvar 8y ago
        Is there any point? It seems like you're convinced enough that nothing can ever change your mind. So I'm fine with just disagreeing and leaving it at that.
        RaleyField 8y ago
        How about unstable apis to anything outside the kernel[1]. Or, more personal, on this laptop I get shorter battery life (I have it plugged in most of the time so it's tolerable), sometimes it doesn't wake up so I have to always shut it down (tolerable) and bluetooth headset doesn't work (I use wired ones, so tolerable again). [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PmHRSeA2c8&t=5m40s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PmHRSeA2c8&t=5m40s
        Sir_Cmpwn 8y ago
        >How about unstable apis to anything outside the kernel Oh yes, the classic usability problem for the Average User, how could I forget /s >on this laptop I get shorter battery life >bluetooth headset doesn't work Better points. I also have had issues with bluetooth audio on Linux. Battery life less so.
        RaleyField 8y ago
        > Oh yes, the classic usability problem for the Average User, how could I forget It becomes usability problem for your users when it becomes too burdensome for ISVs to port their software on your fractured platform. It the whole raison d'etre of technologies like snappy, flatpak or docker that now try to patch this problem.
        explainplease 8y ago
        > Or, more personal, on this laptop I get shorter battery life (I have it plugged in most of the time so it's tolerable), sometimes it doesn't wake up so I have to always shut it down (tolerable) and bluetooth headset doesn't work (I use wired ones, so tolerable again). I hear the same problems about MacOS on brand new Macbooks.
    - fokov 8y ago
      There has got to be more money in Linux than Windows since the majority of servers are running it. The problem is Linux doesn't see user experience as anything that is necessary. When it does (ubuntu, et al) it thrives....but many of us have been waiting since the 90s for everything to "work" on Linux without having to screw around. People love it when things just work and for many of them Apple and Windows do just that.
  - bmn__ 8y ago
    > Why don't more computers come with Linux pre-installed? […] Is it all somebody else's fault That coquetry of ignorance wasn't cool on Slashdot twenty years ago, what makes you think it's acceptable here? Microsoft's actions, for which they have been convicted in courts of law all over the world, have set back desktop computing by two decades. A PC clone with e.g. BeOS on it could not be had for money or good words, and the reason was precisely because they killed off competitors with their anti-capitalist, anti-consumer stranglehold on the vendors and markets before the competitors even had a chance to show their quality or lack thereof. Linux' boon was that it by-passed that system, thriving from the figurative grass roots. It makes little sense – merely in order to take it seriously – to demand to be able to buy a pre-installed Linux.
    - salvar 8y ago
      I'm sorry if I come across as obtuse, but I just need to understand this clearly. Is it your belief that the low usage of Linux has nothing to do with Linux itself?
      - explainplease 8y ago
        Is it your belief that it has nothing to do with Microsoft's misdeeds?
        salvar 8y ago
        Of course it has lots to do with Microsoft's fuckery. I don't think it's a binary choice. Can you answer my question now? Edit: Sorry, misread the author. Thought you were the same as I asked the original question. Nevermind that.

So why isn't everyone using it then?

by salvar 8y ago

So why isn't everyone using it then?

Sir_Cmpwn 8y ago

Do you really need this answered? Because their computer comes with Windows pre-installed.

salvar 8y ago
Yes, I really do. Why don't more computers come with Linux pre-installed? If Linux is such a great replacement for Windows, why has it made very little gains in replacing Windows? Is it all somebody else's fault and has nothing to do with the usability of Linux?
- Sir_Cmpwn 8y ago
  Because money = influence. Linux has none and Microsoft has lots. It's really that simple.
  - salvar 8y ago
    I'll have to disagree with that. Linux has significant usability problems, and pretending that it has none is not going to help anyone.
    - Sir_Cmpwn 8y ago
      Enumerate some of them?
      - salvar 8y ago
        Is there any point? It seems like you're convinced enough that nothing can ever change your mind. So I'm fine with just disagreeing and leaving it at that.
      - RaleyField 8y ago
        How about unstable apis to anything outside the kernel[1]. Or, more personal, on this laptop I get shorter battery life (I have it plugged in most of the time so it's tolerable), sometimes it doesn't wake up so I have to always shut it down (tolerable) and bluetooth headset doesn't work (I use wired ones, so tolerable again). [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PmHRSeA2c8&t=5m40s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PmHRSeA2c8&t=5m40s
        Sir_Cmpwn 8y ago
        >How about unstable apis to anything outside the kernel Oh yes, the classic usability problem for the Average User, how could I forget /s >on this laptop I get shorter battery life >bluetooth headset doesn't work Better points. I also have had issues with bluetooth audio on Linux. Battery life less so.
        RaleyField 8y ago
        > Oh yes, the classic usability problem for the Average User, how could I forget It becomes usability problem for your users when it becomes too burdensome for ISVs to port their software on your fractured platform. It the whole raison d'etre of technologies like snappy, flatpak or docker that now try to patch this problem.
        explainplease 8y ago
        > Or, more personal, on this laptop I get shorter battery life (I have it plugged in most of the time so it's tolerable), sometimes it doesn't wake up so I have to always shut it down (tolerable) and bluetooth headset doesn't work (I use wired ones, so tolerable again). I hear the same problems about MacOS on brand new Macbooks.
  - fokov 8y ago
    There has got to be more money in Linux than Windows since the majority of servers are running it. The problem is Linux doesn't see user experience as anything that is necessary. When it does (ubuntu, et al) it thrives....but many of us have been waiting since the 90s for everything to "work" on Linux without having to screw around. People love it when things just work and for many of them Apple and Windows do just that.
- bmn__ 8y ago
  > Why don't more computers come with Linux pre-installed? […] Is it all somebody else's fault That coquetry of ignorance wasn't cool on Slashdot twenty years ago, what makes you think it's acceptable here? Microsoft's actions, for which they have been convicted in courts of law all over the world, have set back desktop computing by two decades. A PC clone with e.g. BeOS on it could not be had for money or good words, and the reason was precisely because they killed off competitors with their anti-capitalist, anti-consumer stranglehold on the vendors and markets before the competitors even had a chance to show their quality or lack thereof. Linux' boon was that it by-passed that system, thriving from the figurative grass roots. It makes little sense – merely in order to take it seriously – to demand to be able to buy a pre-installed Linux.
  - salvar 8y ago
    I'm sorry if I come across as obtuse, but I just need to understand this clearly. Is it your belief that the low usage of Linux has nothing to do with Linux itself?
    - explainplease 8y ago
      Is it your belief that it has nothing to do with Microsoft's misdeeds?
      - salvar 8y ago
        Of course it has lots to do with Microsoft's fuckery. I don't think it's a binary choice. Can you answer my question now? Edit: Sorry, misread the author. Thought you were the same as I asked the original question. Nevermind that.