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Cash and gold have been around forever, and are similarly untraceable. Government has inserted itself into money. It hasn't existed in the position that taking

Cash and gold have been around forever, and are similarly untraceable. Government has inserted itself into money. It hasn't existed in the position that taking its oversight out of money has to be justified. The contrary...

Nursie 8y ago
Gold is not often transacted in, directly, so it's somewhat spurious to the discussion at hand. The vast, vast majority of transactions take place electronically and with government oversight, so yes, cryptocurrency enthusiasts really are talking about removing such oversight when they propose wholesale moves to cryptocurrency. All of which is orthogonal to the point at hand - whether such things should enable such oversight. Stallman clearly feels they should.
- blueprint 8y ago
  Transactions are only now taking place increasingly electronically. That's why only now are banks being moved into the position of police investigator and enforcer. Whether gold is transacted in for daily items is a non sequitur. It is used. It's simply expensive to transport. You've also ignored cash entirely. To be honest I remain unconvinced at the weight of your counterargument.
  - Nursie 8y ago
    Neatly ignoring the whole point of my posts, let me repeat - "All of which is orthogonal to the point at hand - whether such things should enable such oversight. Stallman clearly feels they should." And to repeat from my first post - "the sorts of privacy guarantee that are provided by things like monero are not what he wants." Whether you feel he is right or wrong in that, Monero does not fit his requirements.
- CryptoPunk 8y ago
  Electronic transactions, and even widespread use of cheques, are very new on the historical timescale. The current level of financial surveillance by the central government, that has been enabled by this technological shift, is unprecendented. A permissionless and decentralized financial ledger holds the possibility of reversing this trend and restoring the more decentralized distribution of power that traditionally existed.
  - Nursie 8y ago
    On a historical timescale, many things we take for granted, like centrally controlled currency, are very new. > A permissionless and decentralized financial ledger holds the possibility of reversing this trend OK, so let me repeat this for those that didn't get it the first time - This is not what Stallman's trying to achieve and it's not something he thinks is a good idea. Whether you agree with this or not, that makes Monero a bad fit for his ends.

Nursie 8y ago

Gold is not often transacted in, directly, so it's somewhat spurious to the discussion at hand. The vast, vast majority of transactions take place electronically and with government oversight, so yes, cryptocurrency enthusiasts really are talking about removing such oversight when they propose wholesale moves to cryptocurrency. All of which is orthogonal to the point at hand - whether such things should enable such oversight. Stallman clearly feels they should.

blueprint 8y ago
Transactions are only now taking place increasingly electronically. That's why only now are banks being moved into the position of police investigator and enforcer. Whether gold is transacted in for daily items is a non sequitur. It is used. It's simply expensive to transport. You've also ignored cash entirely. To be honest I remain unconvinced at the weight of your counterargument.
- Nursie 8y ago
  Neatly ignoring the whole point of my posts, let me repeat - "All of which is orthogonal to the point at hand - whether such things should enable such oversight. Stallman clearly feels they should." And to repeat from my first post - "the sorts of privacy guarantee that are provided by things like monero are not what he wants." Whether you feel he is right or wrong in that, Monero does not fit his requirements.
CryptoPunk 8y ago
Electronic transactions, and even widespread use of cheques, are very new on the historical timescale. The current level of financial surveillance by the central government, that has been enabled by this technological shift, is unprecendented. A permissionless and decentralized financial ledger holds the possibility of reversing this trend and restoring the more decentralized distribution of power that traditionally existed.
- Nursie 8y ago
  On a historical timescale, many things we take for granted, like centrally controlled currency, are very new. > A permissionless and decentralized financial ledger holds the possibility of reversing this trend OK, so let me repeat this for those that didn't get it the first time - This is not what Stallman's trying to achieve and it's not something he thinks is a good idea. Whether you agree with this or not, that makes Monero a bad fit for his ends.