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Same is true for San Francisco. Criminals have more rights than children. Or taxpayers... If we are to have a functional civilization we must remain open but

Same is true for San Francisco. Criminals have more rights than children. Or taxpayers... If we are to have a functional civilization we must remain open but also learn how to say no to unacceptable behavior. Especially the egregious. Like you see everyday. People littering, shooting up and shitting on the sidewalk. Meanwhile our legislators are passing laws to limit the amount of restaurants in certain neighborhoods. Or trying to ban companies from having their own cafeterias. It's the ideology of 'sounding good'. Empiricism needs to take its place.

admax88q 8y ago
You're the second person I've seen to say "Criminals have more rights than children" Where do you get your talking points from?
- hanging 8y ago
  Criminals can drive, vote, sell their labor, enter contracts, and are free to travel without legal emancipation.
- pteredactyl 8y ago
  From myself. I mentioned it once before in this HN post (if that's what you're referring to)
- manfredo 8y ago
  I can't speak for the above commenter, but in a way street people in SF really are more free than employed people. If I were to break into a car and steal stuff I'd get jailed and released a couple days later, or even the same day. But I'd probably get fired. Whereas someone with no job would get jaled and released with no real consequences. Because the city refuses to enforce many crimes (basically, anything short of significant violence) beyond catching and releasing, the only thing keeping people in line are their employers and peers. And if someone doesn't have a job and their peers don't care about committing crimes, then a whole bunch of stuff becomes de-facto legal.
  - pteredactyl 8y ago
    I agree. I try not to think about it. Or what I could do for myself and the community with my tax dollars. Instead of sending them 5000 miles away to DC. What a joke. Also not to mention, if you were jailed for some reason, you'd get fired and probably fined $10,000. If you don't have the money: Well, Welcome to the streets! People are so ego-invested in this absurd and hysterical reality. I don't get it. I will say it seems to be reinforced every minute through our tv media. For example, sometimes when I speak with someone hysterical (80% of SF and some of my family now) they'll calm down and we'll have an open rational (non-ideological) dialogue. After, I think to myself 'ok it's not all lost'. Then I see them again and they're back to the hysteria. It's like a robot who forgot their programming.
    - emerged 8y ago
      It seems to be a similar sort of addiction as Candy Crush. Hysteria is a kind of entertainment, always easily accessible.
      - pteredactyl 8y ago
        I haven't thought of it that way. That's a good one. It seems to tie into fear porn.

admax88q 8y ago

You're the second person I've seen to say "Criminals have more rights than children" Where do you get your talking points from?

hanging 8y ago
Criminals can drive, vote, sell their labor, enter contracts, and are free to travel without legal emancipation.
pteredactyl 8y ago
From myself. I mentioned it once before in this HN post (if that's what you're referring to)
manfredo 8y ago
I can't speak for the above commenter, but in a way street people in SF really are more free than employed people. If I were to break into a car and steal stuff I'd get jailed and released a couple days later, or even the same day. But I'd probably get fired. Whereas someone with no job would get jaled and released with no real consequences. Because the city refuses to enforce many crimes (basically, anything short of significant violence) beyond catching and releasing, the only thing keeping people in line are their employers and peers. And if someone doesn't have a job and their peers don't care about committing crimes, then a whole bunch of stuff becomes de-facto legal.
- pteredactyl 8y ago
  I agree. I try not to think about it. Or what I could do for myself and the community with my tax dollars. Instead of sending them 5000 miles away to DC. What a joke. Also not to mention, if you were jailed for some reason, you'd get fired and probably fined $10,000. If you don't have the money: Well, Welcome to the streets! People are so ego-invested in this absurd and hysterical reality. I don't get it. I will say it seems to be reinforced every minute through our tv media. For example, sometimes when I speak with someone hysterical (80% of SF and some of my family now) they'll calm down and we'll have an open rational (non-ideological) dialogue. After, I think to myself 'ok it's not all lost'. Then I see them again and they're back to the hysteria. It's like a robot who forgot their programming.
  - emerged 8y ago
    It seems to be a similar sort of addiction as Candy Crush. Hysteria is a kind of entertainment, always easily accessible.
    - pteredactyl 8y ago
      I haven't thought of it that way. That's a good one. It seems to tie into fear porn.