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I googled this quickly, and I'm seeing the UK has 36 deaths per billion miles driven [1] and USA is 1.7 [2]. Can you cite your sources that the UK isn't disprop

I googled this quickly, and I'm seeing the UK has 36 deaths per billion miles driven [1] and USA is 1.7 [2]. Can you cite your sources that the UK isn't disproportionately high? I could be reading the numbers wrong. [1] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/744077/reported-road-casualties-annual-report-2017.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... [2] https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/11/4/232 https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/11/4/232

DanBC 8y ago
What is being counted? Have I got this right? In the UK it appears they're counting the deaths per billion miles that people walk. In your BMJ article it appears they're counting deaths per billion miles that people drive.
- zimpenfish 8y ago
  You're right - it's "fatalities per billion miles walked" vs "fatalities per billion miles driven".
- NeedMoreTea 8y ago
  Ooh I missed that whilst looking with my early morning coffee. Pedestrian deaths per billion miles that people drive seems an odd choice of measure.
NeedMoreTea 8y ago
That disparity is unbelievable. Even allowing the 15 year difference. The UK consistently comes surprisingly well toward the safest end of global road safety stats, and has as long as I can remember. By way of sanity check, it would mean walking in the USA is safer than driving a car in the UK (1.9/bn m). That's not credible. :) Sourced from gov.uk [0] (ods spreadsheet file), pedestrian fatalities, in 2016, are 7.1 per million population in the United Kingdom; 470 pedestrians killed, and 18.5 in the USA; 5,987 pedestrians killed, confirmed for USA by NHTSA[1]. For overall road traffic deaths, in 2015 UK 2.9 per 100k population (1,770 total deaths) 22.9% pedestrians, USA 10.6 per 100k (32,719 total deaths, approx 5x the UK population, 18x the total reported deaths) 14.1% pedestrians, source WHO, table A2 [2]. Every international comparison and US source I found prefers per 100k or million population and agrees with the above. I stopped there, so can't compare the gov.uk doc you linked, or why the US data in BMJ differs so markedly. [0] https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/ras52-international-comparisons https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/ras52-in... (Download RAS52001) [1] https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/812493 https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/... (PDF. Note they report per 100,000 not million, so it's 1.85) [2] http://www.who.int/violence_injury_prevention/road_safety_status/2015/en/ http://www.who.int/violence_injury_prevention/road_safety_st...
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113 8y ago
People in the US cover more miles more often. The UK is only small.

DanBC 8y ago

What is being counted? Have I got this right? In the UK it appears they're counting the deaths per billion miles that people walk. In your BMJ article it appears they're counting deaths per billion miles that people drive.

zimpenfish 8y ago
You're right - it's "fatalities per billion miles walked" vs "fatalities per billion miles driven".
NeedMoreTea 8y ago
Ooh I missed that whilst looking with my early morning coffee. Pedestrian deaths per billion miles that people drive seems an odd choice of measure.

NeedMoreTea 8y ago

That disparity is unbelievable. Even allowing the 15 year difference. The UK consistently comes surprisingly well toward the safest end of global road safety stats, and has as long as I can remember. By way of sanity check, it would mean walking in the USA is safer than driving a car in the UK (1.9/bn m). That's not credible. :) Sourced from gov.uk [0] (ods spreadsheet file), pedestrian fatalities, in 2016, are 7.1 per million population in the United Kingdom; 470 pedestrians killed, and 18.5 in the USA; 5,987 pedestrians killed, confirmed for USA by NHTSA[1]. For overall road traffic deaths, in 2015 UK 2.9 per 100k population (1,770 total deaths) 22.9% pedestrians, USA 10.6 per 100k (32,719 total deaths, approx 5x the UK population, 18x the total reported deaths) 14.1% pedestrians, source WHO, table A2 [2]. Every international comparison and US source I found prefers per 100k or million population and agrees with the above. I stopped there, so can't compare the gov.uk doc you linked, or why the US data in BMJ differs so markedly. [0] https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/ras52-international-comparisons https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/ras52-in... (Download RAS52001) [1] https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/812493 https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/... (PDF. Note they report per 100,000 not million, so it's 1.85) [2] http://www.who.int/violence_injury_prevention/road_safety_status/2015/en/ http://www.who.int/violence_injury_prevention/road_safety_st...

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113 8y ago

People in the US cover more miles more often. The UK is only small.