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If someone decides not to be a police officer because they aren't allowed to shoot unarmed civilians in the back while they're being held face down on the groun

If someone decides not to be a police officer because they aren't allowed to shoot unarmed civilians in the back while they're being held face down on the ground, BART is safer without them.

ummonk 8y ago
I'm talking about when someone decides not to confront potential criminals because they might get sent to prison for killing someone when they accidently usetheir pistol instead of a taser. Look, I'm no fan of the police, and often find myself in disbelief when police officers are acquitted (or not indicted) for what can only be described as murder. But the Oscar Grant shooting was clearly a mistake, and whether or not the officer should have been convicted, that kind of conviction will definitely put a damper on officers' willingness to confront people.
- ryanmonroe 8y ago
  > I'm talking about when someone decides not to confront potential criminals because they might get sent to prison for killing someone when they accidently usetheir pistol instead of a taser. I mean, same idea. If a police officer is not confident they can dependably discern the difference between a gun and a taser, BART is definitely safer without them.
- masonic 8y ago
  accidently use their pistol instead of a taser In the situation, with Grant fully subdued and compliant, Mehserle had no business using either. It was similar to the Rodney King beating in the sense that after King was fully subdued and compliant, Koon and Powell continued to hit him.
twblalock 8y ago
The BART police are afraid of being falsely accused even when they are in the right, because of the legacy of the Oscar Grant case, so they are overly timid about confronting criminals. The police were wrong in the Oscar Grant case, but the consequences for public safety have been very negative as a result of the public reaction.
- ryanmonroe 8y ago
  This implies it's rational to fear for your freedom as a law-abiding person on the basis that a true criminal was convicted. That makes no sense. By that logic we should be against letting police arrest these robbers anyway, because if they did, all of the non-criminal commuters would refuse to enter BART for fear of being charged with robbery.
  - twblalock 8y ago
    No, it does not imply that.
    - ryanmonroe 8y ago
      This statement > The BART police are afraid of being falsely accused even when they are in the right, because of the legacy of the Oscar Grant case is not accurately summarized by this statement? > Law-abiding people are afraid of being falsely accused, because of the fact that a true criminal was convicted What part is incorrect?

If someone decides not to be a police officer because they aren't allowed to shoot unarmed civilians in the back while they're being held face down on the ground, BART is safer without them.

ummonk 8y ago

I'm talking about when someone decides not to confront potential criminals because they might get sent to prison for killing someone when they accidently usetheir pistol instead of a taser. Look, I'm no fan of the police, and often find myself in disbelief when police officers are acquitted (or not indicted) for what can only be described as murder. But the Oscar Grant shooting was clearly a mistake, and whether or not the officer should have been convicted, that kind of conviction will definitely put a damper on officers' willingness to confront people.

ryanmonroe 8y ago
> I'm talking about when someone decides not to confront potential criminals because they might get sent to prison for killing someone when they accidently usetheir pistol instead of a taser. I mean, same idea. If a police officer is not confident they can dependably discern the difference between a gun and a taser, BART is definitely safer without them.
masonic 8y ago
accidently use their pistol instead of a taser In the situation, with Grant fully subdued and compliant, Mehserle had no business using either. It was similar to the Rodney King beating in the sense that after King was fully subdued and compliant, Koon and Powell continued to hit him.

twblalock 8y ago

The BART police are afraid of being falsely accused even when they are in the right, because of the legacy of the Oscar Grant case, so they are overly timid about confronting criminals. The police were wrong in the Oscar Grant case, but the consequences for public safety have been very negative as a result of the public reaction.

ryanmonroe 8y ago
This implies it's rational to fear for your freedom as a law-abiding person on the basis that a true criminal was convicted. That makes no sense. By that logic we should be against letting police arrest these robbers anyway, because if they did, all of the non-criminal commuters would refuse to enter BART for fear of being charged with robbery.
- twblalock 8y ago
  No, it does not imply that.
  - ryanmonroe 8y ago
    This statement > The BART police are afraid of being falsely accused even when they are in the right, because of the legacy of the Oscar Grant case is not accurately summarized by this statement? > Law-abiding people are afraid of being falsely accused, because of the fact that a true criminal was convicted What part is incorrect?